English words beginning with <j> pronounced [Z]?

[Scot LaFaive]

>"sammy" ('sandwich'; for all I know, however, that word may occur more
general in some dialect >that I'm glad I don't speak)

I have a friend who began saying "sammy" for sandwich when mockingly
imitating his 20-something sister, acting out as if she were asking her
fiance if he wanted "mustie on his sammy" (i.e. mustard on his
sandwich). Apparently he was a bit whipped and/or mothered. This would have
been a year or two before Rachel Ray's show.

Scot

On Jan 21, 2008 1:15 PM, Nadia Gabriel <nadpaz3 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Zut ! (as we say in French), it begins with a <z>
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> From ADS-L Archive, message from "Mullins, Bill AMRDEC" posted Dec. 6,
> 2006:
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> > And then there's the infinitely irritating Rachael Ray, whose
> > "Food Channel" cooking show regularly uses such cutesy terms
> > as "sammy" ('sandwich'; for all I know, however, that word
> > may occur more general in some dialect that I'm glad I don't
> > speak), "EVOO" (pronounced initialistically; 'extra virgin
> > olive oil'), "zush" (/zUS/; 'quick swirl or shake of a
> > mixture in a pan'--or something like that); probably others
> > that I have successfully tried to forget.
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> Nadia
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> On Jan 21, 2008 1:56 PM, Charles Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:
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> > A while back, didn't we discuss a word pronounced [ZUZ], a noun
> referring
> > to a quick shake given to something? I have no idea how the word might
> be
> > spelled!
> >
> > --Charlie
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> > ---- Original message ----
> > >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:19:07 -0500
> > >From: Dennis Preston <preston at MSU.EDU> >
> > >In LIN 101 we teach students that /Z/ (the second sound in 'azure'
> > >the last sound in 'garage') is a silly sound (like ng) which can
> > >occur internally and finally but never initially. In final position
> > >it is giving way to /dZ/, and here in good-talking and linguistically
> > >secure Michigan, people surveyed were not sensitive to the final /dZ/
> > >pronunciation as nonstandard.
> > >
> > >dInIs
> > >
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> > >>Poster:       Nadia Gabriel <nadpaz3 at GMAIL.COM>
> > >>Subject:      English words beginning with <j> pronounced [Z]?
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> > >>Dear all,
> > >>
> > >>A question out of a friend's curious brain - he is French, currently
> > taking
> > >>lessons to improve his English:
> > >>
> > >>Do you know of words, common word or proper names, in the English
> > language
> > >>that begin with the letter <j> but that are pronounced without the [d]
> > >>sound, just the [Z] sound?
> > >>Or, to put it another way, words where the initial <j> is pronounced
> as
> > in
> > >>French?
> > >>
> > >>I can't think of any!
> > >>An advanced search in the OED Online ("Entries containing Z
> > >>in Pronunciations") retrieves only one word: jinricksha, jinrikisha,
> > >>*n.*<
> >
> http://dictionary.oed.com.proxycu.wrlc.org/cgi/entry/50123824?query_type=advsearch&queryword=Z&first=1&max_to_show=10&search_spec=pron%3Aph&order=ab&return_set=entries&sort_type=alpha&result_place=6&control_no=50123824&search_id=xncX-q3erq2-7384&side=M
> > >,
> > >>from Japanese.
> > >>
> > >>I'd be grateful for any comments!
> > >>  (I must add I didn't read all the article under the entry for the
> > letter J,
> > >>which also appeared in the results of my search - Wonderful OED)
> > >>
> > >>Thank you,
> > >>
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