"put the 'Kibosh on 'em" (antedating, 1834)

[Sam Clements]

Also, I can't type.

Where exactly did Cockneys get the spelling of words with the first letter
"v" in words in which the first letter, in English, is actually "w?"  Work
is "verk."  "which" is "vich."

Sam Clements


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Clements" <SClements at NEO.RR.COM>
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Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 21:44
Subject: Re: "put the 'Kibosh on 'em" (antedating, 1834)


> Gerald,
>
> Thanks for this.  I"m an amatuer in the game.  No professional
> credentials.
>
> Now I'm curious.  Where exactly did the Cockneys get this form?
>
> sam
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> From: "Cohen, Gerald Leonard" <gcohen at MST.EDU>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 21:12
> Subject: Re: "put the 'Kibosh on 'em" (antedating, 1834)
>
>
>
> Forms such as "vich" for "which" or "vork" for "work" are a feature of
> Cockney speech. They are not necessarily eastern European/German.
>
> Gerald Cohen
>
> ________________________________
>
> Original message from Sam Clements, Thu 5/20/2010 8:04 PM
>
> <snip>.
> Notice the same pattern of an eastern European/German dialect being used.
> "which=vich." and
> so on and so on.
>
> Sam Clements
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Goranson" <goranson at DUKE.EDU>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 20:24
> Subject: "put the 'Kibosh on 'em" (antedating, 1834)
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>
>> Charles Dickens wrote "...put the kibosk on her, Mary" in 1836.
>> Here is an apparent antedating.
>> Observer [London], Sunday Nov. 30, 1834, p. 4 col. 4.
>> Retirement of the Late Ministry Explained
>> ....Mr. Dyer put the moderate fine of one shilling and costs on both
>> defendants-- "Ah!" said Smith, as he left the office, this here hact vos
>> the vork of the Vigs, and now the Duke of Vellington as put the 'Kibosh'
>> on 'em, vich they never would have got if they hadn't passed it; that's
>> vat floored 'em.
>>
>> Stephen Goranson
>> http://www.duke.edu/~goranson
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