origin of dese dem dose in NYCE

[Dan Goncharoff]

As a matter of history, New Amsterdam was the only large Dutch
settlement in North America. They had smaller villages on the
Connecticut, Hudson and Delaware rivers: the Puritans threw them out
off the Connecticut, the Swedes replaced them on the Delaware, only
the Hudson River contingent remained after the British takeover.
DanG



On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Ronald Butters <ronbutters at aol.com> wrote:
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> Isn't it the case that this phenomenon is by no means confined to New =
> York? Did the Dutch settle Boston  and New Orleans too? And the =
> situation is compounded by the fact that in syllable-final position, one =
> also hears [f].
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> On Feb 11, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
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>> I am very confused. I was under the impression that the use of
>> articles starting with a d instead of th started in NYC about 350
>> years ago, when the town was called New Amsterdam. The Dutch never
>> left, and I suspect their influence on the NY accent didn't, either.
>>=20
>> DanG
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