/Erjudait/

[Herb Stahlke]

Pedro,

I thought of that, and for me, and the apparently vanishingly few
others who don't palatalize here,
the /r/ is ambisyllabic while for those who do it's coda on the first
syllable.  Which is the reverse of what makes sense--and what you
said.  The other analysis may be that with coda /r/ the second
syllable starts with a tense /u/ and gets a palatal onset like other
initial tense /u/ in English, e.g., use, unite, Urals, etc.

Herb

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, V <raindoctor at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Palatal glide insertion depends on how the word is syllabified. For
> instance, men-u  vs. av-e-nue. In menu, there is /j/; however in avenue,
> there is no /j/. The condition is that both the alveolar and /u/ have to be
> part of the same syllable.
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> This is operating in erudite: er-u-dite
>
> Pedro V
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> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Here in the Midwest I've been noticing local TV newsreaders
>> pronouncing "erudite" as /Erjudait/, inserting a palatal glide between
>> /r/ and /u/.  I don't know if this pronunciation is found in Britain,
>> but the OED gives the pronunciation /=CB=88=C9=9Br=C9=99da=C9=AAt/.  I do=
> n't hear the
>> glide insertion in words like "rude" or "ruse," and I suspect that
>> /Erjudait/ is simply hypercorrection.  It just seems odd that these
>> speakers don't insert /j/ between other alveolars and /u/.
>>
>> Herb
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