"payback"

[Jonathan Lighter]

>I still believe Google's metadata is faulty -- it
gives a title for a 1923 issue of a journal that
did not use that title in 1923.

This is common in my experience. It is confusing but may not be an error.

For example, _after a few years  of publication, _California Folklore
Quarterly_ changed its name to _Western Folklore_.  The library catalogues
I've seen lump both together under the most recent title.

JL
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> For unknown reasons I have not yet received this message by Victor.
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Victor Steinbok <aardvark66 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>  > No, Joel. Most libraries carry the 1942-1946 volumes because of the war.
>  > The journal had been published since 1898. Only Brandeis and UConn carry
>  > the full pre-war range in the Northeast. I've checked every library that
>  > comes up on WorldCat--all of them have only the war years. Google is
>  > right, for a change.
>  >
>  > I am certain of the Hawaii bibliographic data being correct.
>  >
>  >    VS-)
>
> I have no problem with the Hawaii bibliographic
> data.  It said (as reported by Victor)
> >Local Notes: UHM: Detached from Asia, v.23, no.8, August 1923.
>
> That is (I assume) their short title for the same
> journal both I and George cited:
>
> I --
> >Harvard lists a periodical titled "Asia :
> >journal of the American Asiatic Association"
> >whose vol. 17 is 1917; that might make a vol. 23 be 1923.
>
> George --
> >NYPL's catalog shows that it has vol. 23, 1923
> >of "Asia: Journal of the American Asiatic Association"
>
> My problem is with the Google metadata.  It gives
> a title of "Asia and the Americas, Volume
> 23".  That was not the title for this journal in 1923.
>
> Victor wrote:
> >Yes. It was the Journal of the American Asiatic
> >Association until 1917, then changed its name. I
> >believe the name was changed again in 1946.
>
> Harvard says that "Asia and the Americas"\was
> published "[Vol. 42, no. 11] (Nov. 1942)-[v. 46,
> no. 12] (Dec. 1946)" and "Continues: Asia (New
> York, N.Y. : 1917) ISSN:0891-3536".  So the name
> changed in 1942, and perhaps again in
> 1947.  (Harvard does not have a "Continued by"
> note, so perhaps it ceased in 1946.  [As ordered
> by MacArthur?  :-) ]  Or perhaps the Harvard
> bibliographers missed its next incarnation.  They
> are not without error, as I have become notorious
> for pointing out -- they know my name.)
>
> Victor wrote (see above):
>  > The journal had been published since 1898.
>
> Under a different title, "Journal of the American
> Asiatic Association", which "Began publication
> with: July 1898 issue; ceased publication with: Jan. 1917 issue."
>
> Victor also wrote:
>  > Only Brandeis and UConn carry the full pre-war
> range in the Northeast. I've checked every library that
>  > comes up on WorldCat--all of them have only the war years.
>
> If Victor looked only for the title "Asia and the
> Americas", which WorldCat lists as 1942-1946, he
> might not have found other libraries, those
> listing the title as "Asia: Journal of the
> American Asiatic Association".  But when I search
> WorldCat for "Asia and the Americas", the 3rd
> listing is "Asia : journal of the American
> Asiatic Association. by American Asiatic
> Association.", "Publisher: New York : Asia Pub.
> Co., ©1917-[©1942]" -- that is, including the
> year 1923.  Clicking on that brings up as the
> first library "Harvard College Library";
> following that will show that Tozzer holds 1923.
>
> Fortunately, I did not need to search the
> additional 27 libraries in the Northeast (if that
> means New England) that might also hold the 1923
> issue.  But it's not only Victor's Brandeis and
> UConn that claim to hold 1923 -- in addition to
> Harvard, the MIT library also holds 1923.  And
> there might be others -- I didn't check further.
>
> I still believe Google's metadata is faulty -- it
> gives a title for a 1923 issue of a journal that
> did not use that title in 1923.
>
> Joel
>  >
>  >
>  > On 2/28/2012 9:33 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
>  >
>  >> I suspect a problem with Google's
>  >> metadata.  Harvard lists "Asia and the Americas"
>  >> as published from 1942 to 1946.
>  >>
>  >> Rather, Harvard lists a periodical titled "Asia :
>  >> journal of the American Asiatic Association"
>  >> whose vol. 17 is 1917; that might make a vol. 23
>  >> be 1923.  It holds vol. 23 at Biblioteca
>  >> Berenson, Florence, and in the Tozzer Depository,
>  >> in some location undisclosed by Harvard.  I don't
>  >> propose to go to either location myself.
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