Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to, 1886, (Corrected Citation)

[Jonathan Lighter]

Yes. Gotta slow down.

So the dogs are the sausages, not the familiar sausage-bun combo.

JL


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:

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> > From:    Jonathan Lighter<wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back
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> >           1886, (Corrected Citation)
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> > Good point, Amy.  And  no rolls are mentioned. Were the dogs sold wrapped
> > in waxed paper?
> >
> > JL
> If you review the full cit in Fred's post (I trimmed it to keep just the
> material relevant to my query), you'll see that the basket is for rye
> bread and that the hot dogs are served with horseradish and between two
> pieces of bread.
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> ---Amy West
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> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Amy West<medievalist at w-sts.com>  wrote:
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> >> >On 1/22/13 12:03 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> >>> > >Date:    Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:17:53 +0000
> >>> > >From:    "Shapiro, Fred"<fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> >>> > >Subject: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed
> Back to
> >> >1886
> >>> > >           (Corrected Citation)
> >>> > >
> >>> > >The Tennessee provenance of the term "hot dog" now seems stronger,
> as I
> >> >have found an 1886 citation from that state:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >hot dog (OED 1892)
> >>> > >
> >>> > >1886_Nashville Tennessean_  14 Nov. 9/2 (ProQuest Historical
> Newspapers)
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"Hot stuff," "hot pup," "hot dog," sings out the fiend who carries
> in
> >> >one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the other arm a basket.
> >> ><snip>
> >>> > >    Wiener means little and generally speaking, the purchaser gets a
> >> >little the wurst of it.  (No diagram of this joke.)  Wurst means, in
> >> >English, sausage; so that when one of these peddlers says wiener wurst
> to
> >> >you he means do you want a little sausage.  The tin vessel which he
> carries
> >> >is divided into two compartments.  The upper is filled with water, in
> which
> >> >are about a thousand, more or less, skin sausages.  In the lower
> apartment
> >> >is the alcohol stove that keeps the sausages hot.
> >>> > >
> >> >Here's what intrigues me: the equivalence of "wiener" with little. Are
> >> >they falsely analogizing by/playing on "wee"? They get "wurst" right,
> so
> >> >something's going on with "wiener." And the mention of "a thousand" may
> >> >be exaggeration, but still indicates a small size. So, I'm inferring
> >> >that in this appearance, they're very much like what we still call
> >> >"Vienna sausages".
> >> >
> >> >---Amy West
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