"Not All Men"

[Jesse Sheidlower]

Only one copy made it to the list, and it was in fine condition. Not
sure why you're getting a second version, or why it's not correctly
translating curly quotes and em-dashes and the like.

On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 12:02:59AM -0400, Ann Burlingham wrote:
> (Oh, dear: i see I received two copies as a list member, one as it looked
> when I wrote it, all neat and nice, and the other as I sometimes see
> others' writing, full of messy mark-up notations. Is there a fix from my
> end, either as sender or receiver?)
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Ann Burlingham <ann at burlinghambooks.com>
> wrote:
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> > Poster:       Ann Burlingham <ann at BURLINGHAMBOOKS.COM>
> > Subject:      "Not All Men"
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> >
> > I thought this discussion of the concept and phrase "Not all men" was
> > interesting, from Time back on April 28th. The author is Jess ZImmerman. I
> > am always pleased to see Joanna Russ quoted, and the cartoon the discussion
> > is pegged from in excellent. From the piece, the cartoonist comments:
> >
> > =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t recall a very specific instance so much as it was
> > =
> > sort of
> > everywhere, very suddenly!=E2=80=9D Lubchansky wrote in an email.
> > =E2=80=9C=
> > But instead of
> > this being something with a single origin, i think this phrase is unique
> > among this kind of stuff because it was actually coming from the mouths of
> > these dopes. Like some dummy would for REAL be coming at people talking
> > about racial or gender equality stuff, waving their arms and saying =E2=80=
> > =98UM
> > ACTUALLY NOT ME!=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D
> >
> > Zimmerman writes:
> >
> > "It=E2=80=99s true that previous derailment favorites like
> > =E2=80=9Cpatriar=
> > chy hurts men
> > too=E2=80=9D were paraphrases in a way that =E2=80=9Cnot all men=E2=80=9D
> > i=
> > s not. The demand is the
> > same =E2=80=94 =E2=80=9Cplease move me to the center of your discussion=E2=
> > =80=9D =E2=80=94 but =E2=80=9Cnot all
> > men=E2=80=9D is, in many cases, straight from the horse=E2=80=99s mouth;
> > ev=
> > en an amateur
> > Reddit spelunker can turn up plenty of sulky or defensive uses of the
> > phrase.
> >
> > =E2=80=9CNot all men=E2=80=9D also differs from =E2=80=9Cwhat about the
> > men=
> > ?=E2=80=9D and other classic
> > derails because it acknowledges that rape, sexism, and misogyny are real
> > issues =E2=80=94 just not, you know, real issues that the speaker is
> > involv=
> > ed with
> > in any way. The =E2=80=9Cnot all men=E2=80=9D man, at least in some cases,
> > =
> > agrees with you
> > and is perfectly willing to talk about how terrible those other guys are,
> > just as soon as we get done establishing that he himself would never be
> > such a cad. It=E2=80=99s infuriating and unhelpful, but in a way it
> > represe=
> > nts a
> > weird kind of progress."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://time.com/79357/not-all-men-a-brief-history-of-every-dudes-favorite-a=
> > rgument/
> >
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