[Ads-l] Trivago or Chivago?

Herb Stahlke hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
Thu Jan 14 02:14:10 UTC 2016

You can actually do a quick perceptual test on whether /tr/ retroflexes of
palatalizes.  Retroflexion has a lower-pitched oral cavity resonance that
palatalization, and you can hear that in the affrication.  Works also with
the contrast between "shriek" and "chic."

I also have the grocer/groshri contrast, where "shri" is retroflexed /s/.
Also in luxury/luxurious, where the former is retroflexed and that latter


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>

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> > On Jan 13, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan =
> <geoffnathan at WAYNE.EDU> wrote:
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> > It's probably the speaker. There's a well-known (but I think =
> geographically distributed) process turning /t/
> or /d/
> > into /ch/ before /r/. It happens in my speech for example, so I say =
> /chruck/ for 'truck'.  Also happens with /d/, giving, for me /jrive/  =
> for 'drive'.
> I think the "chree" pronunciation, which I have, has been around for a =
> long time; we don't notice it if we're familiar with the target ("tree" =
> or "truck" vs. "Trivago").  A professional basketball player who =
> earlier, like me (but not at the same time), attended UCLA is named =
> "Jrue Holliday", which I assume is a way of making sure "Drew" gets =
> palatalized...
> LH
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