[Ads-l] "shave ice" discovered by the Times

[Wilson Gray]

Not that it matters at all, but, IME, "shaved ice" is completely ordinary.
That "shave ice" exists is what's news to me.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Consistent with the New York Times Article shared by Laurence Horn, here
> is an example of flavored, shaved ice treat in Japan in 1904:
>
> "During the hot months ice is a necessity in Japan.  On every street,
> every block, little ice kori are seen, some of them on wheels, in which
> ice, cracked and in solid chunks, is sold; also shaved ice in glasses,
> flavored with lemon juice or syrup."
>
> East Oregonian (Pendleton, OR), October 15, 1904, page 10.
> ChroniclingAmerica.loc.gov.
>
> From: pjreitan at hotmail.com
> To: ads-l at listserv.uga.edu
> Subject: RE: "shave ice" discovered by the Times
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:35:42 -0700
>
>
>
>
> "Shave ice," although perhaps not by that name, has been served in Hawaii
> since at least 1917.  In an article warning about the health risks of candy
> carts selling to school children:
>
> "Menace To the Children
>
> A report from the tuberculosis bureau, published in this issue, shows the
> direct relationship between school children's lunches and the building up
> of the little bodies to that degree of health where any latent seeds of the
> white plague may be thrown off. . . .
>
> This is the matter of the itinerant candy carts which draw their principal
> trade from the school children, tempting the little ones to spend their
> lunch money for what are at best only excuses for food.  Many and many a
> child has sacrificed his midday lunch in order to feast on shaved ice with
> a teasponful [sic] of colored syrup poured on it, while other spend their
> nickels on cheap candies, soda-water or other tempting dainty of the push
> carts."
> The Hawaiian Gazette, January 23, 1917, page 4. ChroniclingAmerica.loc.gov
>
>
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> > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:22:01 -0400
> > From: laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
> > Subject: "shave ice" discovered by the Times
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> > Poster:       Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> > Subject:      "shave ice" discovered by the Times
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> >
> > Some of you will recall our old discussions of the reduced participles, =
> > including not just "ice(d) coffee'tea" and "ice(*d) cream" but "shave =
> > ice".  A memo from Barry Popik a while back:
> >
> >
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> > Date:         Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:14:12 EST
> > Sender: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > From: Bapopik at AOL.COM
> > Subject:      Shave Ice (1953); Mud/Mac Pie (1964); Buddha-heads (1961)
> >
> > SHAVE ICE (continued)
> >
> >    There is an index to the HONOLULU STAR-BULLETIN and HONOLULU =
> > ADVERTISER, from 1929.  "Shaved ice" is in the index, with two stories =
> > in 1953.
> >
> > HONOLULU ADVERTISER, 26 April 1953, pg. 10, col. 5:
> >    Long ago, as way far back as when I was one small kid in Honolulu, it
> =
> > was smart to find out right away quick where the nearest "Shave Ice" =
> > sign was in the neighborhood, for on those warm summer days there was =
> > nothing quite like it for bringing down the body temperature.
> >
> > HONOLULU ADVERTISER, 4 October 1953, pg. 7, col. 4:
> > _Couple Brings New Look_
> > _To Shave Ice Business_
> >
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> > =3D=3D=3D
> >
> >
> > Well, now we have the Times weighing in, not on the participle but the =
> > Hawaiian treat itself, with no comment on the moniker:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/dining/hawaii-shave-ice.html
> >
> > I see that like everything else it has its wiki-entry:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_ice
> >
> > LH=
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