[Ads-l] more nominalized adjs.

Fri Nov 25 19:23:31 UTC 2016

French is not quite the same since pretty much any adjective can be nominalized by using it with a determiner of some kind.

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MARGARET E WINTERS
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From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:27 PM
To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: more nominalized adjs.

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly?

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
>
> Le Rouge et le Noir?  The Quick and the Dead?
>
> Joel
>
>
>      From: Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] more nominalized adjs.
>
> Combining to suggest a spinoff from _The Young and the Restless_:  _The Complicated and the Crazy_.
>
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> _The Young and the Restless_:
>>
>> "People take time out from the crazy in their lives."
>>
>> JL
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> United Healthcare:
>>>
>>> "I'm done with complicated!"
>>>
>>> JL
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 6:20 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2016 _Supergirl_ (CW TV): Hey, what's with the grumpy?
>>>>
>>>> JL
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yup, more subjects.  I do have the vague sense that these are (all)
>>>>> somehow a bit metalinguistic, and that BCBL questions, for example, aren't
>>>>> entirely synonymous with "What does fearlessness look like?" or "Does
>>>>> fearlessness age?",  but I won't try to propose an analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> LH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dispositive Blue Cross Blue Shield ad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "What does fearless look like? Does fearless age?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sonic:  "Nothing tastes better than free!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am starting to think these nominalized forms occur only in objective
>>>>>>>> positions. True?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think so, at least if we count equative structures:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Crazy is fine. I can go for crazy."
>>>>>>> "Cozy is what I like."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rinse and repeat for other nouned adjectives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trailer for the new Warren Beatty movie: "If you're crazy, I want
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> crazy!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>>>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The ad says that to make the Duluth Trading Fire Hose Shirt Jac,
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>>>>> "tough,  toasty, and some cozy."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another example, from the NYT Online:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The hatred toward her would have bloomed forth unchecked: more
>>>>>>>>>> obstruction, more mudslinging, more investigations, _more vile_
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> been in store for her."
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange
>>>>> complaint to
>>>>>>>>>> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
>>>>>>>>>> -Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>>>>> truth."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>>>>> truth."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> The American Dialect Society - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urldefense.proofpoint&d=CwIBaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=ekvqyMyuIbXK0_BJgv4wm645szdje-5hF6taGRhOt0E&s=P6a5fTEiIs_qLvXKIRtRwXP_0Gmww7i5F5LhDBZGH1Y&e= .
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>>>>> s=WAxEM2AIS_
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> 2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsM
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>>> truth."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> The American Dialect Society - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urldefense.proofpoint&d=CwIBaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=ekvqyMyuIbXK0_BJgv4wm645szdje-5hF6taGRhOt0E&s=P6a5fTEiIs_qLvXKIRtRwXP_0Gmww7i5F5LhDBZGH1Y&e= .
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>>>>> FFaLQ&m=WcBOBBjidvuYC78_Zj-Cv5jG4VFdsjy7ug1rpdx0Ua8&s=hskzPl
>>>>> b6U1zDstfC0igIppMQAjeNFXnpUPdwv-8R9mA&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> The American Dialect Society - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.americandialect.org&d=CwIBaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=ekvqyMyuIbXK0_BJgv4wm645szdje-5hF6taGRhOt0E&s=XGmu-ySrNG5UdMMigMHRlfDPx6GwuVh8TaxQzuRc6P0&e=
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the
>>>> truth."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the truth."
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't handle the truth."
>>
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