[Ads-l] To Bed without Dinner

[George Thompson]

Still, I think what interested Wilson was the mad gyrating among the
pronouns --starts with a singular neutral noun, jumps to a singular
masculine pronoun, before settling on a plural neutral pronoun.

> "When _a child_ acted up around dinnertime in the 60s, _his_ mother might
> threaten _them_ by saying, you can go to be bed without dinner.

"its mother" would have satisfied everyone, however scrupulous, whether
about gender, grammar or coherence.

GAT

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Baker, John <JBAKER at stradley.com> wrote:

> It’s “going without a dinner” in chapter one of Through the Looking-Glass
> (1871).
>
> Wilson’s example does not involve a punishment, but it isn’t hard to find
> additional 19th century examples, some of which predate Lewis Carroll.
>
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> John Baker
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> "Without your supper" is what I remember from the early '50s.
>
> Regional.
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> JL
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> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "When _a child_ acted up around dinnertime in the 60s, _his_ mother might
> > threaten _them_ by saying, you can go to be bed without dinner. And,
> _they_
> > might actually go to bed without dinner.
> > "This phrase dates back to the popular children's book, Where the Wild
> > Things Are (1963) and was an effort to teach the child not to misbehave
> or
> > else they'd go hungry."
> >
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
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> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__books.
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> > George R. Graham, ‎Edgar Allan Poe - 1835 - ‎Read - Page 30
> > LIFE—-—NOT LIKE THE ROSE-—GOING TO BED WITHOUT DINNER.
> >
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> > come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-- 
George A. Thompson
The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
Univ. Pr., 1998.

But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings, from
your lowly tomb. . .
L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112

The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
picture of his great-grandfather.)
http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-gillray/an-excrescence---a-fungus-alias-a-toadstool-upon-a-dunghill/3851

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