[Algonquiana] Algonquian terms for Siouan peoples

[Wolvengrey, Arok]

Thanks, Kees, I knew there was something fichy about the spelling that I was missing ...


I was also going to add that the Cree name I cited for Mandan, (kâ-)otasiskîwikamikowak, could also be applied to the Hidatsa.

kâhkâkiwaciyiniwak "raven/crow people" are the Crow.

pâwistikowiyiniwak "people of the rapids or people of the falls" is the Cree name for the Gros Ventres/Atsina.

There is also a fairly obscure term, possibly recorded by Kelsey, "Naywatamee Poets" which has been debated as to its actual referent and perhaps others can clarify this?  Some have suggested it may have referred to the Hidatsa or some other Siouan group, as seems certain from the inclusion of Poet(s) (pwât(ak)), but it might have been a variant name for the Assiniboine or even a mixed Cree-Assiniboine group such as Piapot's (payipwât) people, nêhiyawipwâtak (Cree-Sioux) (Piapot's Reserve is known as nêhiyawipwâtinâhk "among the Cree-Sioux/Cree-Assiniboine" or Cree-Sioux/Cree-Assinboine territory).

Best,

ᐋᐧᐱ ᑭᐦᐃᐤ
Arok Wolvengrey
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From: Algonquiana [algonquiana-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org] on behalf of Kees van Kolmeschate [cvkolmes at hetnet.nl]
Sent: January 16, 2016 6:40 PM
To: Ryan Kasak; ALGONQUIANA at listserv.linguistlist.org
Subject: Re: [Algonquiana] Algonquian terms for Siouan peoples

Hi Ryan,

Continuing Arok’s reply, I would say that in “Ouachipouenne” “ch” represents English “sh” rather than “ch”.
Cree “wâti”, cave, den, corresponds to Ojibwe “waazh”. (PA *wa:ši,  pl. *wa:θali).
Though “ouachipouenne” looks like Ojibwe Waazhibwaan, I do not find this word meaning “Mandan”.
gr, Kees

From: Ryan Kasak<mailto:ryan.kasak at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 9:05 AM
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Subject: [Algonquiana] Algonquian terms for Siouan peoples

Dear all,

I've just posed this question on the Siouan listserv, and thought I'd ask the same here. I'm looking for names for Siouan peoples (specifically the Mandan) in Algonquian languages.

For some varieties of Cree, we see something like pwâta for the Lakota/Dakota. For Ojibwa, I've found bwaan for that same group. In the 1730s when the French trader Pierre Gaultier de Varennes, sieur de La Vérendrye encountered the Mandan, his Cree interpreter called them Ouachipouennes [sic], meaning something like "Sioux who go underground," in reference to the earth lodges in which they lived. Is this term still used in Cree to refer to the Mandan? What about other Siouan groups like the Hidatsa or the Crow?

The online Cheyenne dictionary gives Tsé-heše'émȧheonėstse "one who has a dirt house" for the Mandan and Óoetane "crow person" for the Crow. These etymologies are clear. However, the etymologies of Hóheehe for the Assiniboine and Ho'óhomō'e for Lakota/Dakota are opaque to me (though they may not be opaque to someone else!).

I would welcome any input anyone might have regarding this issue.

Best,

Ryan Kasak

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