[An-lang] etymology of Malayic "kasi" ('give')

[Robert Blust]

David,

I'm not talking about "final glottal stops".  I'm talking about
*-q, which regularly became Malay /-h/.  You'll notice that it appears in 
/kasih/, where we would expect it (from *ka-qasiq --- see the ACD), but not 
in /kasi/, which is why I told you when you first sent your inquiry out that 
I don't know of a good etymology for the latter.

Best,

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Gil" <gil at eva.mpg.de>
To: <an-lang at anu.edu.au>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [An-lang] etymology of Malayic "kasi" ('give')


> Bob,
>
> Final glottal stops within the Malayic family is a huge topic that I've
> been working on intermittently for many years.  But it's such a mess
> that I would not dare to use it as a diagnostic for etymologies.
>
> David
>
>
> On 17/02/2015 07:00, Robert Blust wrote:
>> Hi again David,
>>
>> So you must be assuming that /kasi/ was borrowed back into Malay from a
>> language that regularly lost *-q.  If so, what is the likely source?
>>
>> For the etymology of Malay /kasih/ see PMP *qasiq and its subentry 
>> *ka-qasiq
>> in the freely accessible ACD (www.trussel2.com/ACD).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bob Blust
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Gil" <gil at eva.mpg.de>
>> To: "Austronesian languages" <an-lang at anu.edu.au>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [An-lang] etymology of Malayic "kasi" ('give')
>>
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for all of your suggestions, either to me personally or to
>>> the list.  In fact, there was unanimity that the source of Malayic
>>> "kasi" ('give') is in a similar word for 'love' or 'compassion'.  At
>>> first I was not too convinced; it felt a little bit too much like a folk
>>> etymology.  However, some of the later comments, with data from a wider
>>> range of languages such as Onya Darat (Land Dayak, thanks to Uri Tadmor)
>>> and Tae' (Torajan, thanks to Daniel Kaufman), provided evidence that
>>> this is most probably the correct etymology.
>>>
>>> Again, thanks to you all for your comments,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/02/2015 16:13, David Gil wrote:
>>>> Dear Austronesianists,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to find an etymology for Malayic "kasi" ('give').  Can
>>>> anybody ...
>>>>
>>>> (1) point me to a previously proposed etymology for "kasi"?
>>>> (2) suggest possible cognate forms in other (non-Malayic) Austronesian
>>>> languages?
>>>> (3) offer any other relevant thoughts and suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> So far I have not been able to find anything.  My current thinking is
>>>> that "kasi" may be part of a complex of interrelated forms such as
>>>> Standard Malay "ke" ('to'), "akan" (future, oblique), and "=kan"
>>>> (causative, applicative), but this remains speculative.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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> -- 
> David Gil
>
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