[An-lang] An-lang Digest, Vol 161, Issue 6

Mon Mar 13 16:55:52 UTC 2017

In Tausug, *hilaga' *is the name for a north-northwest wind (as opposed to
the Brunei Malay north-northeast wind).

Below are the Tausug wind names (w/varied etymological origins) from p.166
of Hassan, Irene U., Seymour A. Ashley & Mary L. Ashley. 1994. *Tausug-English
Dictionary: Kabtangan Iban Maana*. Manila: SIL Publications.

*uttara'* north
*timul*   northeast
*tunggara'* east to southeast
*sātan* south to southeast
*barat daya* south to southwest
*habagat* southwest to west-southwest
*kanaway* northwest
*hilaga'* north-northwest

best,
Dan

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>    1. Re: Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga" (Adrian Clynes)
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> Brunei Malay has/had iraga 'north' Moulton 1921 'Points of the compass in
> Brunei Malay', Journal of the Straits Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society
> 83:75
>
> On 11 Mar 2017 1:28 AM, "David Gil" <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:
>
> The online Malay dictionary at http://melayuonline.com/ind/
> dictionary/detail/12/I/40 glosses "iraga" as
>
> mata angin antara utara dengan utara timur laut
>
> which translates as "cardinal point between north and northeast".
>
> The Malay orthography is not a reliable indicator of whether the word has a
> final glottal, and a few random people I asked today had never heard of the
> word.
>
> For what it's worth, the phonotactics of the word is rather odd from a
> Malay perspective, as most Malay words are disyllabic, and if they do have
> an antepenult, it usually contains whatever the "neutral" vowel is in the
> respective dialect happens to be ? which is never a high [i].
>
>
>
> On 10/03/2017 15:16, Laurie Reid wrote:
>
> The form actually has a final glottal stop, hilag?, which suggests it may
> be a borrowing from Malay *iraga *'north wind' as noted by Antonio
> Pigafetta (note John Wolff's paper on Malay borrowings in Tagalog).
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Robert Blust <blust at hawaii.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm not sure where Bill Davis got the idea that "Malaysian and Indonesian
> > have *hilaga".  *The normal word for 'north' in Malay/Indonesian is
> > *utara*, a Sanskrit loan, and *hilaga* does not appear in any dictionary
> > of the language that I have seen.  The* hilaga* form appears rather to be
> > confined to Tagalog and a small number of languages in the Philippines
> that
> > may have borrowed from it.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bob Blust
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Bill Davis <bill_davis at ntm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure, but I know that SW Palawano (PLV) has *iraga?* and Malaysian
> >> and Indonesian have *hilaga*. I have heard that cardinal directions came
> >> into Austronesian from other sources. Before that names of seasonal
> winds,
> >> up/down river, mountainward/seaward, etc., were all.
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> >> -Bill
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> >>   1. Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga" (Christopher Sundita)
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> >> From: Christopher Sundita <cas536 at cornell.edu>
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> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Does anyone happen to have any insight on the etymology of Tagalog
> >> *hilaga *'north'?
> >> I've consulted the ABVD, ACD, and Wolff (2010), but was not very
> >> successful
> >> in finding an answer.
> >>
> >> I see that the word for "north" in a number of Philippine are reflexes
> of
> >> PAn *qamiS, though the Tagalog reflex, *amihan*, refers to the north or
> >> northeast wind.
> >>
> >> I also see that Antonio Pigafetta noted that the word *iraga *'north
> >> wind' in his Malay word list.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Chris Sundita
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