[An-lang] An-lang Digest, Vol 161, Issue 6

Mon Mar 13 22:57:53 UTC 2017

Hi Dan,

I think by now it's pretty clear that this is a Brunei Malay loan in
several parts of the Philippines (hardly the only one!).

Best,

Bob

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Daniel Kaufman <bahasawan at gmail.com> wrote:

> In Tausug, *hilaga' *is the name for a north-northwest wind (as opposed
> to the Brunei Malay north-northeast wind).
>
> Below are the Tausug wind names (w/varied etymological origins) from p.166
> of Hassan, Irene U., Seymour A. Ashley & Mary L. Ashley. 1994. *Tausug-English
> Dictionary: Kabtangan Iban Maana*. Manila: SIL Publications.
>
> *uttara'* north
> *timul*   northeast
> *tunggara'* east to southeast
> *sātan* south to southeast
> *barat daya* south to southwest
> *habagat* southwest to west-southwest
> *kanaway* northwest
> *hilaga'* north-northwest
>
> best,
> Dan
>
> 2017-03-12 21:00 GMT-04:00 <an-lang-request at anu.edu.au>:
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>>    1. Re: Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga" (Adrian Clynes)
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>> From: Adrian Clynes <aclynes at gmail.com>
>> To: David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
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>> Brunei Malay has/had iraga 'north' Moulton 1921 'Points of the compass in
>> Brunei Malay', Journal of the Straits Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society
>> 83:75
>>
>> On 11 Mar 2017 1:28 AM, "David Gil" <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:
>>
>> The online Malay dictionary at http://melayuonline.com/ind/
>> dictionary/detail/12/I/40 glosses "iraga" as
>>
>> mata angin antara utara dengan utara timur laut
>>
>> which translates as "cardinal point between north and northeast".
>>
>> The Malay orthography is not a reliable indicator of whether the word has
>> a
>> final glottal, and a few random people I asked today had never heard of
>> the
>> word.
>>
>> For what it's worth, the phonotactics of the word is rather odd from a
>> Malay perspective, as most Malay words are disyllabic, and if they do have
>> an antepenult, it usually contains whatever the "neutral" vowel is in the
>> respective dialect happens to be ? which is never a high [i].
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2017 15:16, Laurie Reid wrote:
>>
>> The form actually has a final glottal stop, hilag?, which suggests it may
>> be a borrowing from Malay *iraga *'north wind' as noted by Antonio
>> Pigafetta (note John Wolff's paper on Malay borrowings in Tagalog).
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Robert Blust <blust at hawaii.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure where Bill Davis got the idea that "Malaysian and
>> Indonesian
>> > have *hilaga".  *The normal word for 'north' in Malay/Indonesian is
>> > *utara*, a Sanskrit loan, and *hilaga* does not appear in any dictionary
>> > of the language that I have seen.  The* hilaga* form appears rather to
>> be
>> > confined to Tagalog and a small number of languages in the Philippines
>> that
>> > may have borrowed from it.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Bob Blust
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Bill Davis <bill_davis at ntm.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not sure, but I know that SW Palawano (PLV) has *iraga?* and Malaysian
>> >> and Indonesian have *hilaga*. I have heard that cardinal directions
>> came
>> >> into Austronesian from other sources. Before that names of seasonal
>> winds,
>> >> up/down river, mountainward/seaward, etc., were all.
>> >>
>> >> -Bill
>> >>
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>> >>   1. Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga" (Christopher Sundita)
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>> >> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 22:03:24 -0800
>> >> From: Christopher Sundita <cas536 at cornell.edu>
>> >> To: <an-lang at anu.edu.au>
>> >> Subject: [An-lang] Etymology of Tagalog "hilaga"
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>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone happen to have any insight on the etymology of Tagalog
>> >> *hilaga *'north'?
>> >> I've consulted the ABVD, ACD, and Wolff (2010), but was not very
>> >> successful
>> >> in finding an answer.
>> >>
>> >> I see that the word for "north" in a number of Philippine are reflexes
>> of
>> >> PAn *qamiS, though the Tagalog reflex, *amihan*, refers to the north or
>> >> northeast wind.
>> >>
>> >> I also see that Antonio Pigafetta noted that the word *iraga *'north
>> >> wind' in his Malay word list.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Chris Sundita
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