Differences in MOR output using macOS and Linux

Wed Jan 29 14:40:35 UTC 2025

Hi Leonid,

I've just tried the latest linux version.

I've found some differences with Windows, specifically with words
cosa/coso/cosos (thing/things)

Windows almost always makes a mistake and parse cosa like
v|cose-2S&SUB&PRES=sew
Linux parse it correctly: n|cosa&f-PL=thing^n|coso-f-PL=thing (though i
think it should desambiguate for the second one)

Here some examples:

//////////////

*SIS: recién [=! alarga] va a poner sus cosas en su mochila !

//////////////

*MOT: dale guarda las cosa(s) !

Windows:

Linux:

///////////////

*GMO: cualquier cosa vienen para casa .

Windows:

Linux:

///////////////

*MOT: las dos cosas mamá las dos cosas . [+ CHI]

Windows:

Linux:

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El vie, 24 ene 2025 a la(s) 11:17 a.m., Leandro Garber (
leandrogarber at gmail.com) escribió:

> That's great Leonid, thanks ! I'll test it on Tuesday and let you know !
>
> Cheers
>
> El vie, 24 ene 2025, 7:01, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>
> escribió:
>
>> Hi Leandro,
>>
>> I have finally found the problem and fixed it. I have tested it on Mac
>> Unix. I assume it will also work on Linux. Let me know if you have any
>> problems with Unix CLAN. New UnixCLAN is on the web.
>>
>>
>> Leonid.
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2025, at 16:31, Leandro Garber <leandrogarber at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leonid, thank you very much for your reply.
>>
>> I think you are on the right track, I recall the differences could be
>> caused by something like that. I don't know the technical details about
>> lexicon implementations but I can check it out as well and see if I
>> discover something.
>> I can send you examples next Tuesday that I'll be on my office computer.
>>
>> Right now I just remember there were problems with some diminutives (i.e
>> perro (dog) -> perrito (little dog)) (not all)
>>
>> I'm glad you have the time to work on this.
>> Best,
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> El jue, 23 ene 2025 a la(s) 6:22 p.m., Leonid Spektor (
>> spektor at andrew.cmu.edu) escribió:
>>
>>> Hi Leandro,
>>>
>>> I am still trying to figure out why Mac/Windows and Unix outputs are
>>> different. I noticed that on Mac/Windows words with accents like "móntale"
>>> and striped of accents and are converted to stem "monta". The word
>>> "móntale" is not in the lexicon, so striping accents occurs before the word
>>> is looked up in the lexicon list. On Unix the accents are not striped, so
>>> MOR can't find "móntale" word anywhere in the Spanish lexicon. I did not
>>> create Spanish grammar, so it takes a long time for me to figure out where
>>> the conversion occurs.
>>>
>>> Is this the difference in Windows and Linux you are noticing? Or can you
>>> give me an example of the difference in outputs that you are referring to
>>> in your email?
>>>
>>> I just wanted to let you know that I am still working on this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leonid.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2025, at 12:21, Leandro Garber <leandrogarber at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone, I hope you are starting 2025 great.
>>>
>>> Just wanted to report that I've just downloaded the latest Linux version
>>> and I'm getting different outputs on Linux compared to Windows (not Mac
>>> this time as the title suggests). I've been able to run Windows version
>>> with Wine emulator in order to do the comparison.
>>>
>>> On linux I'm running:
>>>
>>> /path/to/mor -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>>> /path/to/post +d/path/to/lib/spa/post.db my_cha_file.cha
>>> /path/to/postmortem -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>>> /path/to/megrasp -L/path/to/lib/spa my_cha_file.cha
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> L.
>>> El Tuesday, December 28, 2021 a la(s) 4:29:28 PM UTC-3, Leandro Garber
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>> That was fast.
>>>>
>>>> I've just downloaded it, compiled it, and yes, it works like a charm.
>>>> Files are identical now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help and happy new year.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 15:47, Leonid Spektor (<spe... at andrew.cmu.edu>)
>>>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> The Unix bug has been fixed. New UNIX code is on the web.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonid.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 13:38, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Brian and Leonid for your time, I hope I didn't spoil your
>>>>> holidays !
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Leandro.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 15:21, Leonid Spektor (<
>>>>> spe... at andrew.cmu.edu>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently there is a bug in Unix MOR code that fails to read
>>>>>> pre-post rules file. I am working on this right now and I will let everyone
>>>>>> know when it is fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Dec 28, 2021, at 13:17, Brian Macwhinney <ma... at andrew.cmu.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I guess Leonid didn’t include PREPOST in the Unix distribution.  We
>>>>>> are all on vacation this week and next.  Any chance you could rely on Mac
>>>>>> OS instead?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > — Brian
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Dec 28, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear Brian,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Thanks for your quick response. I can't find a "prepost" binary in
>>>>>> my bin folder, is it named something different ?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>>>>> >> Leandro.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> El mar, 28 dic 2021 a las 13:57, Brian Macwhinney (<
>>>>>> ma... at andrew.cmu.edu>) escribió:
>>>>>> >> Dear Leandro,
>>>>>> >>    It appears that on Linux, you are not running the PREPOST
>>>>>> program, which is a step in the MOR-PREPOST-POST-POSTMORTEM-MEGRASP chain
>>>>>> on Mac.  For your two examples, I think that the Mac version is better.
>>>>>> So, I would recommend either relying on that or else running PREPOST on
>>>>>> Linux also.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> — Brian MacWhinney
>>>>>> >> Teresa Heinz Professor of Cognitive Psychology,
>>>>>> >> Language Technologies and Modern Languages, CMU
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Leandro Garber <leandr... at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> We are processing some CHA files with MOR and we are finding
>>>>>> differences between the same files processed on Linux and on MacOS.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Both using the latest version of MOR for english downloaded from
>>>>>> https://talkbank.org/morgrams/
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Some examples:
>>>>>> >>> -------------------
>>>>>> >>> *FA1:        well it ended up there in your pile
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> MacOS:
>>>>>> >>> %mor:        co|well pro:per|it v|end-PAST prep|up n|there
>>>>>> prep|in det:poss|your
>>>>>> >>>        n|pile .
>>>>>> >>> Linux:
>>>>>> >>> %mor:        co|well pro:per|it v|end-PAST adv|up adv|there
>>>>>> prep|in
>>>>>> >>>        det:poss|your n|pile .
>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> >>> *MA1:        Morgan doesn't bite .
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> MacOS:
>>>>>> >>> %mor:        n:prop|Morgan mod|do&3S~neg|not v|bite .
>>>>>> >>> Linux:
>>>>>> >>> %mor:        n:prop|Morgan mod|do&3S~neg|not n|bite .
>>>>>> >>> -------------------------------
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> We are using CLAN from the UI in macOS and on Linux we are using:
>>>>>> >>> mor +L/path/to/lib/eng [chaFilePath]
>>>>>> >>> post +d/path/to/lib/eng/post.db [chaFilePath]
>>>>>> >>> postmortem +L/path/to/lib/eng $1
>>>>>> >>> megrasp +L/path/to/lib/eng $1
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> We found that on Linux post, postmortem and megrasp don't
>>>>>> automatically run so we manually do it.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Am I missing something ? Shouldn't the output be the same ?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>> >>> Leandro.
>>>>>> >>>
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