mystery "French" in Wawa

[hzenk at PDX.EDU]

Thanks to everyone for their "tubiits" on my "mystery French" posting.  
  Michel Laframboise was just the kind of person who could have  
contributed a word like "lident" (maybe partially remembered?  
shortened for economy?):  he was perhaps the best known interpreter on  
the lower Columbia during early 19th-c fur-company times.  One thing  
I'm wondering is whether these borderline cases go all the way back to  
his time, which happens also to be when Wawa acquired most of its  
French words?  Were Canadians saying "bines" way back then?  Attaching  
French articles to English words like "pail"?  That last may be  
borderline.  But labins and lident look quite plausible!  Henry

Quoting Anthony Grant <Granta at EDGEHILL.AC.UK>:

> Folks:
>
> Just to add a bit to Robert Kentta's posting:
>
> Susan Fuller provides Leo Frahctenberg with a short vocabulary of   
> Siletz Salishan (a variety of Tillamook).  Daisy Collins helped out   
> her brother Miller Collins (who was a preacher in some Pentecostal   
> church, I seem to recall) when Swadesh and Melton interviewed Miller  
>  Collins and got Tututni data for the Penutian Vocabulary Survey.   
> (I  know Tututni isn't Penutian, nor are Galice and Northern Paiute,  
>  which they also recorded - but I'mglad they took the time.)
>
> Anthony
>
>>>> Robert Kentta <rkentta at CTSI.NSN.US> 06/13/08 5:19 AM >>>
> hzenk at PDX.EDU wrote:
>> I was wondering whether anyone out on the list has a clue about the
>> following three words, all collected as Wawa by John P. Harrington on
>> the lower Columbia and Oregon Coast in 1942 (these are from the
>> Harrington Papers, mf rolls 17 and 18):
>>
>> lident 'dandelion' (given by Louis Fuller, who also spoke Salmon R
>> Tillamook).
>>
>> labins 'beans' (also Louis Fuller).
>>
>> lapeyl 'can (for cooking in)' (Joe Peter, a Cowlitz living at Yakima
>> Res).
>>
>>
>> All three words appear to have French articles, but I don't find
>> anything like them in my French dictionary.  Are they Canadianisms?
>> Local coinings?  (Since so many nouns for introduced items are from
>> French, there may be a tendency to adopt the French article as a sort
>> of noun-classifier for such words).  Henry
>>
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> Louie Fuller was from here at the Siletz Reservation, and was the son of
> John Fuller, a Salmon River Tillamook headman. There were Clatsop
> connections in the family (his mother?, grandmother???). There was
> rumored to have been french ancestry, but that may have been a mistake -
> or based on conjecture. Louie had a brother named
> Michel/Michael/Machelle - I've seen all spellings. Michel LaFramboise of
> HBC may have been familiar to the family in the early days. Louie
> married a SW Oregon Athapascan woman from Siletz (Daisy Collins-Fuller),
> and their children learned both Tillamook and Tututni languages - as
> well as CJ. Harry Fuller lived to be fairly old, and passed here 6 or 8
> years ago. He didn't speak any English until he went to school....said
> he "had a hell of a time" trying to learn English.
>
> Robert Kentta
> Siletz
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