Need help with translation

[Scott Tyler]

Hi Tanya,
Yes Ta may be short for tamaanowas.
tamaanowas might be a great name for your canoe!
tamaanowas = spirit guide, spiritual power
Scott
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tanya Harrison 
  To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Need help with translation


  Wow, thanks all for the wonderful suggestions!  I'll print these out and show it to our skipper.  It'll be a while before we decide on an official name, so suggestions will still be welcome from late comers to the conversation.

  Dave, I have a word I learned at the Grand Ronde Chinook class for downriver - "may?mi".  I believe there was also another word for upriver, but I can't find it.

  Scott, is "ta" short for t'amanEwas?

  Hayu mersi mtsayka!

  Tanya




  On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Don duMas <don_dumas at yahoo.com> wrote:

          Tanya

          Konaway Tillikums (or however you choose to spell it)  is the most euphonius and catchy of the bunch.  Its easy to remember, says what you want, is alliterative, is non-exclusive, and fun to say. Its got my vote! 

          As I recall, "Tecouche-tesse" (tsEqw?) was what many of the plateau indians called the Columbia River.  I don't know in what language, what it means or how widespread it was among the natives and can't remember exactly where I heard this but I think it was in Franchere's, Bonneville's or Henry's work.  

          Don duMas
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          --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA> wrote:


            From: Dave Robertson <ddr11 at UVIC.CA>

            Subject: Re: Need help with translation

            To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG

            Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:32 PM 



            Hi Tanya,

            Of course I don't have an exact translation of "intertribal" for you, but
            I've come across a few phrases that are close to what you've suggested.  If
            you're looking for something short 'n' punchy, maybe a couple words like
            "shawash khanamakwst" would do it--"Natives together".

            For "upriver" I have something more definite.  In the CJ stuff written by
            Native people, I've noticed they say "kikwEli" for "downriver".  (Just that
            one word, not *kikwEli tsEqw or anything fancy.)  I'm not sure they ever
            *said* the opposite, but it seems like "saXali" for "upriver" would work. 
            And you might not expect "saXali" to mean that unless you heard this from
            me, so I guess this kind of puts you into a secret society :)

            --Dave



            On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:55:49 -0700, Tanya Harrison <harristb at EOU.EDU> wrote:

            >Laxayem Chinook users,
            >
            >I'm trying to find Chinuk wawa translations for  'intertribal' and
            >'upriver'.
            >
            >A group of us in Pendleton are forming a canoe family, and the skipper wants
            >our family to have a Chinuk wawa name.  We're an intertribal group, so we've
            >been trying to translate the word intertribal into Chinuk wawa, ideas are
            >khanawi tilixam, khanawi Laskta, khanawi Laska, or hayu shawash tilixam.
            >
            >Another thought is to translate the word 'upriver' into Chinuk wawa, since
            >we are located up the Columbia.
            >
            >Any ideas or suggestions?
            >
            >Hayu mersi,
            >Tanya Harrison
            >Pendleton, Oregon
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