[Corpora-List] examples of the use of the terms "prototypical" > or "prototypicality"

Sat Jun 28 23:42:13 UTC 2014

What? Why would distributional methods be contrary to prototypes (I prefer
calling them archetypes--earlier I was under the influence of Spanish)? Let
me know what I'm missing here.

Jim

James L. Fidelholtz
Posgrado en Ciencias del Lenguaje
Instituto de Ciencias Sociales y Humanidades
Benemérita Universidad Autónoma de Puebla, MÉXICO

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ken Litkowski <ken at clres.com> wrote:

>  I wonder if distributional methods used in computational linguistics are
> consistent with or contrary to prototypes (Patrick's syntagmatic patterns).
>
>  On 6/28/2014 3:00 PM, Geoffrey Williams wrote:
>
> Hi Angus,
>
>  I do not believe he ever used the word. It is possibly more Patrick who
> called them thus. We can only wait for Patrick to weigh in with an answer,
> or maybe Bill Louw as he is more philosophically read than I.
>
>  Best
>
>  Geoffrey
>
>  Le 28 juin 2014 à 20:46, Angus B. Grieve-Smith <grvsmth at panix.com> a
> écrit :
>
>      Rosch definitely built on Wittgenstein.  I know Wittgenstein talked
> about family resemblances, but I don't know where he talked about
> prototypes.  I discuss his example of "games" here:
>
> http://grieve-smith.com/blog/2013/02/in-a-wittgensteinian-sort-of-way/
>
>     Thanks for the pointeres to Hanks' work!
>
> On 06/28/2014 02:04 PM, Geoffrey Williams wrote:
>
> Hi,`
>
> In discussing Patrick, I think you should realize that he was basing his
> prototypes on Wittgenstein, not Rosch. The articles where he discusses
> these are:
>
>    Hanks, P. 1994. Linguistic norms and pragmatic exploitations or, why
> lexicographers need prototype theory, and vice versa. Papers in
> Computational Lexicography: Complex 94: 89–113.
>
> and
>
>   Hanks, P. 2000. Do word meanings exist? Computers and the Humanities 34(1–2):
> 205–215.
>
>    The aim was to create lexicographical prototypes to deal with polysemy
> by having a continuum of variations of meaning. I have used this myself in
> collocational resonance, something I share with Patrick, and multilingual
> prototypes for variations across genres and across languages.
>
>  You need to read Wittgenstein’s Philosophical Investigations, rather
> than the Tractatus, for family resemblances, notably with a discussion go
> ‘game’.
>
>  Best
>
>  Geoffrey
>
>  Le 28 juin 2014 à 11:00, Krishnamurthy, Ramesh <
> r.krishnamurthy at aston.ac.uk> a écrit :
>
> Hi Erin/Alex
> Apologies to all for hitting 'send' before inserting the subject line in
> my previous email....
>
> One additional point: I was interested to see, glancing through the
> occurrences of 'prototypical'  in
> 009_2004_V1_Patrick HANKS_Corpus pattern ... - Euralex<
> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euralex.org%2Felx_proceedings%2FEuralex2004%2F009_2004_V1_Patrick%2520HANKS_Corpus%2520pattern%2520analysis.pdf&ei=9n2uU-e4Hu2g7AadnYCADA&usg=AFQjCNGtE5j1N-FunxRyaCWmROMIYFk_Ng&bvm=bv.69837884,d.ZGU
> >www.euralex.org/.../009_2004_V1_Patrick%20HANKS_Corpus%20patt...
> that he *rarely* used it *in the way that Erin specified*, namely "the
> most central use of a word"....
>
> Instead , i noticed it was mostly 'prototypical syntagmatic *patterns*,
> prototypical *usage*, prototypical *direct objects*, etc',
> i.e. linguistic items/features at higher levels of abstraction than 'word
> senses'.
>
> I didn't look carefully enough, so there may a citation in Erin's limited
> sense, but if not, perhaps Patrick was, consciously
> or subconsciously, telling us something about his understanding of the
> relationship between 'prototypes' and 'word senses'?
>
> From various conversations with Patrick, i remember the names Jackendoff,
> Rosch, and Wierzbicka came up in connection with
>
> prototype theory, but i can't remember any details, i'm afraid...
>
> best
> ramesh
>
>
>
>
> ------------------
> Dear all
>
> Various bits of discussion on this in several places in Patrick's 2013
> book, including around pp90-105 and 340, but it's pretty much what the
> whole book is about - norms (cf prototypes) not just of lexis but of pretty
> much any type of language use, and exploitations.
>
>    * Hanks, P. 2013. Lexical Analysis: Norms and Exploitations . Cambridge
> MA: MIT Press.
>
> Some great quotes too, eg p91-92 " Prototypical, normal usage is very easy
> to spot?; it is also very boring."
>
> Best
> alex
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> De: "Erin McKean" <erin at logocracy.com>
> À: corpora at uib.no
> Envoyé: Samedi 28 Juin 2014 03:26:25
> Objet: [Corpora-List] examples of the use of the terms "prototypical"
> or "prototypicality"
>
>
> Dear Corpora-Lers,
>
>
> Does anyone have handy citations for the use of "prototypical" or
> "prototypicality" in corpus linguistics to mean something roughly
> equivalent to "the most central use of a word, especially in regards
> to
> referents or collocations"?
>
>
> I'm thinking of the case where you describe senses of a word in an
> order
> that roughly maps to "core -- periphery" rather than historical order
> or
> frequency of use. E.g. for things like "cask", the "water-tight
> vessel"
> would be a more prototypical sense than the "unit of capacity for
> what
> can be held in a cask" sense.
>
>
> My feeling is that this is described quite beautifully by Patrick
> Hanks
> somewhere but I can't seem to find a reference!
>
>
> Any help gratefully appreciated!
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
> Erin
> ---------------------
> Erin McKean
> @emckean/@reverb/@wordnik
> wordnik.com
> helloreverb.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Krishnamurthy, Ramesh
> Sent: 28 June 2014 09:44
> To: erin at logocracy.com
> Cc: corpora at uib.no
> Subject:
>
>
> Hi Erin
>
> I just typed 'hanks prototypical' into Google and obtained several hits...
>
> #1 The website at seems to be down at the moment,
> but there is at least one citation at nlp.fi.muni.cz/projekty/cpa/
>
> #2 one of the google hits was patrick hanks's paper at:
> 009_2004_V1_Patrick HANKS_Corpus pattern ... - Euralex<
> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euralex.org%2Felx_proceedings%2FEuralex2004%2F009_2004_V1_Patrick%2520HANKS_Corpus%2520pattern%2520analysis.pdf&ei=9n2uU-e4Hu2g7AadnYCADA&usg=AFQjCNGtE5j1N-FunxRyaCWmROMIYFk_Ng&bvm=bv.69837884,d.ZGU
> >www.euralex.org/.../009_2004_V1_Patrick%20HANKS_Corpus%20patt...
>
> #3 this paper's list of references includes:
> Hanks, Patrick. 1994. 'Linguistic Norms and Pragmatic Explanations, or Why
> Lexicographers need Prototype Theory and Vice Versa' in F. Kiefer, G.
> Kiss, and J.
> Pajzs (eds.), Papers in Computational Lexicography: Complex '94. Research
> institute
> for Linguistics, Hungarian Academy of Sciences.
>
> #4 Google Scholar offers 4,950 hits for 'hanks prototypical'
>
> best
> ramesh
> ---------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:26:25 -0700
> From: Erin McKean <erin at logocracy.com>
> Subject: [Corpora-List] examples of the use of the terms
>        "prototypical" or       "prototypicality"
> To: corpora at uib.no
>
> Dear Corpora-Lers,
>
> Does anyone have handy citations for the use of "prototypical" or
> "prototypicality" in corpus linguistics to mean something roughly
> equivalent to "the most central use of a word, especially in regards to
> referents or collocations"?
>
> I'm thinking of the case where you describe senses of a word in an order
> that roughly maps to "core -- periphery" rather than historical order or
> frequency of use. E.g. for things like "cask", the "water-tight vessel"
> would be a more prototypical sense than the "unit of capacity for what
> can be held in a cask" sense.
>
> My feeling is that this is described quite beautifully by Patrick Hanks
> somewhere but I can't seem to find a reference!
>
> Any help gratefully appreciated!
>
> Yours,
>
> Erin
> ---------------------
> Erin McKean
> @emckean/@reverb/@wordnik
> wordnik.com
> helloreverb.com
>
>
>
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