Sugest ões à moção

[Yonne F. Leite]

Caro Renato: gostaria de receber o video;o que devo fazer? e vê se outros antropólogos também entram nessa questão do Ethnologue e SL etc. Pelo menos os que trablham com grupos indígenas, Abraços, Yonne. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Renato Athias 
  To: etnolinguistica at yahoogrupos.com.br 
  Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [etnolinguistica] Sugestões à moção


  Colegas,
  Aproveito a mensagem de Pattie para fazer uma pergunta e para dizer que como antropólogo dou também meu total apoio a moção. 
  Gostaria de saber de todos vocês, se seria possível, no âmbito das clasificações das línguas indígenas do Brasil,  mudar a denominação de uma família lingüísitica. Nós que trabalhamos os grupos indígenas Yohup, Däw, Hupdah, Nadöb, Kakwa,Nukak que estão classificados como pertencentes a família lingüística MAKU sofremos, pois a termo Maku não corresponde a nenhuma palavra dessas línguas. Além de ter uma forte conotação pejorativa (principalmente na região do Rio Negro) servindo na realidade como um "palavrão". Em julho do ano passado e em Janeiro desse ano. Estivemos reunidos no Rio Tiquié ( Daw, Hupdah e Yohup) e discutimos essa situação e todos eles sugeriram mudanças. Como fazer? por onde começar? 


  Eu coloquei o vídeo Paah Sak Tëg na  internet.. São os cursistas, Hupah, Daw e Yuhup do curso de magistério indígena.
  São pequenos depoimentos...  o Vídeo completo em 22 minutos pode ser enviado... é só podir.. certo. 

  Renato

  divulguem por favor 


  Parte 1
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wS2l6_jLgw
  Parte 2
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDyusAvayc 
  Parte 3
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SjocnjFWmc 






  2006/9/1, Pattie Epps <pepps at mail.utexas.edu>:
    Prezados membros da lista, Júnior, e Sebastian,


    Como falante nativo de inglés, fiz alguns modificações ao texto da moção sugerido por Júnior e Sebastian. Espero que ajudar!


    O texto se encontre abaixo.


    Um abraço para todos,
    Pattie




    We, the undersigned researchers working with indigenous languages of Brazil and
    adjacent regions and leaders of Indian organizations (participating
    in the discussion list "Etnolinguistica"), and the Museu
    Paraense Emílio Goeldi, a research institution of the Brazilian Ministry of
    Science and Technology, want to express our concern regarding the points that were raised by Dr. Hein van der Voort
    in the SSILA-Bulletin number 242 of August 22 of 2006, and
    show our support for the general position taken by Dr. van der
    Voort (full text is given below).

    In brief, Dr. van der Voort states that the decision to adopt the
    Ethnologue's language codes as the reference standard for the
    languages of the world (also called ISO 639-3) was not fully
    discussed within the linguistic community. He also questions the
    validity of this decision from the perspective of ethical concerns (should a religious
    organization be in charge of such an effort?) and accuracy
    (Ethnologue is an error-ridden, though extensive, publication).

    He proposes that efforts like UNESCO's Redbook of the
    Endangered Languages of the World be considered as an alternative to SIL's Ethnologue.

    We feel strongly that there is only one sensitive answer --
    "NO"-- to the central question raised by Dr. van der Voort: "should we as scientists collaborate so directly with a
    proselytizing organization, lending it legitimacy and potentially
    contributing to its ultimate goal -- that of replacing indigenous
    cultures with a specific Western one?"

    Like several of us, many researchers worldwide may have information
    that would represent a valuable contribution to the ISO list, but feel reluctant to
    share it with the editors of the Ethnologue for the very reasons given
    by Dr. v.d. Voort.  This puts the cooperative work on a reliable and
    widely accepted ISO standard at serious risk.

    Therefore, we urge that the current state of affairs with respect
    to the ISO 639-3 be reviewed, and that another, purely academic
    institution (such as a committee or commission to be created) be given the
    responsibility of maintaining and revising the ISO list of languages
    and their codes. An academic commission of SSILA assigned to
    evaluate proposals for changes to the survey of South American languages could serve as a model for other regions, and some means of coordinating regional commissions could be established in order to assure similar
    criteria and standards.

    It would be certainly a time-consuming project, but the final
    product would be considerably more reliable and more likely to receive widespread acceptance than the Ethnologue alternative.

    In sum, it is important to us that the ISO 639-3 standard and a
    possible permanent ISO 639-3 commission be clearly separated from
    the Ethnologue and SIL in general, making it possible for any
    linguist to contribute to the ISO standard without contributing
    direct or indirectly to SIL.

    With this motion, it is our intention to invite linguists who share
    our view to make this position clear in their local academic
    associations and to start a worldwide discussion about a possible
    different solution for the ISO 639-3.


   


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