[gothic-l] Sarmatians and Goths

[Bertil Häggman]

Dirk,

Yes, I think my standpoint is consistent with
the latest research. Could you refer to your
sources. And give some more details on the
important role the Sarmatians played until
the 4th century?

In my opinion coinage can only be one not very
significant indication. We know that Goths
and Eruli provided a real threat to the Roman
empire during the period 250 to 300 AD (of course
later too resulting in the downfall of the Roman empire).

You seem to have partly misunderstood my contribution.
I was referring to the 2nd century AD. Could you provide
some info on the real Sarmatian influence on the ground?
Events, battles, kings that provide hard evidence of their influence.

Gothically

Bertil
> Do we really know that? The Sarmatians were after all still very
> powerfull at the time of the so called Marcomannic-Sarmatian wars of
> Marcus Aurelius (late 2nd century AD) and continued to play an
> important role until at least the 4th century.
>
> In fact, the Romans dedicated commemorative coins only to the most
> important of enemies. They only dedicated 4 very small coin issues to
> the Goths ('Victoria Gothica' of Claudius II, Quintilius and Tacitus)
> over a period of  about 30 years. To the Sarmatians ,the Romans
> dedicated some 45 coin issues, some of them very large, in the period
> from about 170AD (Sarmaticus, Victoria Sarmatica and Sarmatica
> Devicta to about 440AD (last issue 'Sarmatica devicta'). At least
> from a Roman point of view this could indicated that the Sarmatians
> were perceived to be more significant than the Goths for a longer
> period of time.
>
> At any rate, by the time when some ancestors of what would later
> become the 'Vistula Gutones' may have arrived from Scandinavia in the
> 1st century BC, the Sarmatians still seemed to have had a long and
> influencial period ahead of them.



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