[gothic-l] LATE!?

[Lada]

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From: <keth at online.no>
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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [gothic-l] LATE!?


>  Keth,
        Glottalic theory is not a theory of mine, and it is not a thoroughly
convincing theory, but it exists and it is one of those views which,
although radical and, if I may say so, excentric, do have an impact on later
works.
      About Scandinavian bilabial f, it is to be expected, as it is the
voiceless counterpart of bilabial v, something like Spanish b, which became
v <f> of later Scandinavian.
      Besides, strangely enough, it  (the Indo-European /p/) seems to have
become bilabial w in Armenian before it disappeared altogether
(accidentaly,the same could be sayd of Celtic). So I think that bilabial /f/
of Old Norse was merely an alophone of labio-dental /f/.
               Just for the record, I am not saying that Germanic And
Armenian are closely related, they are not. What I am saying is that the
sound shift is not the only development that makes Germanic Germanic.
                   Il Akkad


Il Akkad wrote:
> >P.S. do you know some think there was no sound shift but only two
different
> >types of developments from some very unusal proto-language set of
consonant
> >(glottalic theory). One of its strongest points is a very similar
> >development in Armenian.
>
> No I didn't know that.
>
> All I know, or realized lately, is that there apparently
> is an explanation for the vacillation between p and f
> in Old Norse. (cited in analogy to the below example
> where Gothic slepan and Low German slapen became High
> German schlafen)
>
> For example Old Norse "after", is written some times
> as "eptir", other times as "eftir". The explanation for
> this is that the Old Norse "f" was not dento-labial
> as it is in most modern European languages, but rather
> bi-labial. How does this match up with your more
> encompassing theory?
>
> Keth
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > Go. slepan   -- OHG slaffan
> >> > Go. etum     -- OHG azum
> >> > Go. mikils   -- OHG mihhil
> >> > Go. twai     -- OHG zwei
> >> > Go. hairto   -- OHG herza
> >> > Go. drigkan  -- OHG trikhan
> >>
> >> Hi Stephen !  I add the corresponding Dutch words:
> >>
> >> >  slepan   -- slaffan  -- slapen    (sleep)
> >> >  etum     -- azum     -- eten      (eat)
> >> >  mikils   -- mihhil   -- machtig ? (mighty ?)
> >> >  twai     -- zwei     -- twee      (two)
> >> >  hairto   -- herza    -- hart      (heart)
> >> >  drigkan  -- trikhan  -- drinken   (drink)
> >>
> >> Apparently the change   slapen -> schlafen  occurred relatively
> >> late.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Keth
> >>
> >>     I know it came late, it wasn't done with by the time first southern
> >German texts were composed. In fact it was , in a way, never finished
> >altogether. Middle Franconian still has words without the second sound
> >shift. BTW the centum-satem division cannot be taken in serious
> >consideration any more. It was outdated some time ago with the discovery
of
> >Tocharian, which seems to have either crashed the whole system or ...
well
> >even Meillet thought the palatals a secondary 'inovation'. I am  not
sharing
> >his view, waiting for some other plausible theory to come up.
> >                                    Il Akkad
>
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