[gothic-l] Re: Visigoths not "Booted Out"

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi Dirk,

I wrote that probably some of them went to Bavaria. The Gothic
influence in Bavarian is attributed mainly to an alleged Gothic-Arian
mission to Bavaria, which would explain loanwords connected more or
less to religion (including some names of the days of the week). But
there are also words of Gothic origin that have nothing to do with
religion (for instance, Pfait "shirt" or Maut "customs"), that would
suggest that the Ostrogothic presence in Bavaria was not limited to
that Arian mission. I agree with you that the majority of the
Ostrogoths probably remained in Italy and were subsequently
assimilated by other Germanic peoples settled in Northern Italy (like
the Langobards) and finally romanized.

Francisc


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> ...
> Hi Francisc,
>
> this is an interesting theory about Goths fleeing to Bavaria, and
it
> has been advocated for a long time. The evidence is, however, at
best
> tentative I think. Recent excavations at the Hemmaberg did reveal
an
> Arian Gothic church and a Gothic cemetary which attests the
presence
> of Goths in Old Bavaria. Also, we know of a Herulian leader who
later
> turned up in the Alps, I think in the Tyrole area if I remember
> correctly. However, I doubt that this was a large scale movement.
At
> best a few individuals may have made their way across the Alps I
> think while most would have been content to stay in the country
were
> they were born - Italy.
>
> The prevalence of Ostrogothic themes in Old High German and Middle
> German poetry and ballads is often attributed to the fact that the
> Bavarian dukes were closely related to the Langobardic rulers of
> Italy. Infact, the most sucessful Langobardic royal house in Italy
is
> often called the 'Bavarian Dynasty' and we know that Langobards
also
> settled in Bavaria (near Augsburg for example). The Langobards of
> Italy will have absorbed many of the remaining Goths, including
their
> history and tales, which were thus passed on to the Bavarians, as
the
> Langobards were gradually shifting to speaking Romanic in the
course
> of the 7th century. Hence, I that the transmission of the Gothic
> tales and tradition to the Old High German literature may have been
> indirect through the Langobardic-Bavarian connection.
>
> Cheers
> Dirk



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