Translation for Gk. *foberos

[thiudans]

Hails

Good ideas!

I wonder if the past participle would be *ohts and might mean "feared"
and thus have a present sense like "inspiring terror". *Agisleiks
sounds more authentic somehow though, and I don't want to use a
present participle here if possible.  This should have the sense of a
divine reverence/fear, for which ogjan and its derivatives seem to
have been used in the extant texts -- I am completing Nehemia. 

Speaking of which, I am also attempting to translate the phrase
"dialusei dielusamen" Lat. "delinquentes deliquimus". Using attested
words I've ony come up with the awkward paraphrase "frawardeinai
frawardeinins gawaurhtum" (English approx. "we have acted very
corruptly"). What are the precedents in Gothic for translating this
kind of redundancy? Also cf. Genesis: "...die a death" (surely die).






--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
>
> Hailai jut mithsokjandans niujawaurdje!
> 
> There are attested compounds sigis-laun and thruts-fill which could 
> be relevant here. If that is the general way how this kind of stems 
> behaved being the first element, then *agis-leiks looks quite normal.
> 
> AFAIK Greek FOBEROS meant both "terrible" and "frightened", like 
> NE "fearful" I guess. Gerhard Koebler's Griechisch-Gotisches 
> Woerterbuch has FOBERIZEIN = ogjan (Neh. 6:19), so ogjands could 
> probably be active FOBEROS (or, more precisely, FOBERIZOUS?, "one 
> who actually frightens/inspires fear") and ogands = passive FOBEROS 
> (FOBERIZOMENOS, "one being frightened, timid"). Not sure I'm alright 
> with Greek here...
> 
> I recalled OE gasric from the runic inscription on Franks Gasket. 
> Could we reconstruct a noun Go. *gaisareiks M. cons. (?) 
> for "monster", "someone terrible" or "terribly looking" etc? Not to 
> confuse with *Gaizareiks, the famous leader of the Vandals and 
> founder of their North African homeland. Maybe he was teased in this 
> way (i.e. by being called *gaisareiks, and I heard he was lame and 
> not particularly fair-looking), but hardly in his presence :)
> 
> Ualarauans
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hails thiudans!
> >    
> >   Re: Your search for a Gothic expression close enough to Gk. 
> foberos:
> >    
> >   Jah ogs; ogs mikils. Can we try a gerundive (being 
> waurdsokjandans ourselves)?
> >    
> >   What about, from ogs- root, a fear-instilling "ogjands" for 
> starters?
> >    
> >   Or if the wraith is particularly shiver-inducing, how 
> about "usgaisjands"?
> >    
> >   Or even the most universally surviving Germanic word I know --
> no, not the vulgarities, either-- "grimms". 
> >    
> >   Arthur
> >    
> >   arthur.jones@
> >    
> > 
> > thiudans <thiudans@> wrote:
> >           I have need of a translation for Gk. foberos "fearsome", 
> I've thought
> > of constructing something like *agis-leik-s, cf. Ic. ógurlegur. Is
> > anyone familiar with the way in which weak nouns of this type 
> (ending
> > in -is -iz-) would form compounds? Also other suggestions are 
> welcome.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >          
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>







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