Reiks at war

[llama_nom]

In the Gothic Bible, 'þiudans' is used of a king who goes to war:

aiþþau hvas þiudans gaggands stigqan wiþra anþarana þiudan du wiganna,
niu gasitands faurþis þankeiþ, siaiu mahteigs miþ taihun þusundjom
gamotjan þamma miþ twaim tigum þusundjo gaggandin ana sik?
    
Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down
first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him
that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

Luke 14:31

'frauja' "lord" is also used with no Greek model for the noun in a
military context (II Tim 2:4).  I'm not sure whether 'reiks' is used
anywhere in an explicitly military context.



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Ingemar Nordgren" <ingemar at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lothian,
> 
> I am not a linguist but as far as I know they were reiks also when
> leading a war expedition. Their sacral king, however, was never
> allowed to leave  his own territory when the people  was permanently
> settled, but had to order a reiks to take command. During the
> wandering, according to Getica at least, the þiuðans was sacral king
> and he used 'kings of the army' to lead parts of the united army (like
> e.g. Cniva as Wolfram suggests) but  I do not know their title in
> Gothic. Later, after the split between Greutungi/Ostrogoths and
> Vesi/Tervingi the Ostrogothic king  seems to have behaved like an 
> odinistic king while the Vesi had a kindins, family-leader or
> clan-chief, executing the functions of a sacral king.The Ostrogothic
> king accordingly seems to have been a reiks continously and from
> Alaric also the Visgothic king was a reiks, but within  Gutþiuða the
> tribal chiefs  were reiks/kunigaz and so was the kindins (for his own
> tribe only). Draughtin, Sw. drott, normally  is the second in command
> to the king, he is an earl/jarl, but drott  may as well be used to
> mean a king, a ruler. I never, however, saw this title in connection
> with an Eastgermanic people. Accordingly I dare not say if it ever was
> used with the Goths. The classical authors use dux when describing the
> leaders just below the king.
> 
> Best wishes
> Ingemar
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "the_lothian" <the_lothian@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > I am so glad I found this site.  I am in the process of writing a 
> > historical novel set during the reign of Constantina I.  My goal is 
> > to make it as historically accurate as  possible.  In line with that, 
> > I know that the Goths had Reiks, which I think were similar to tribal 
> > chiefs.  I know that when the Goths went to war the war-chiefs 
> > carried the title of Draughtin.
> > 
> > My question is, did Draughtin replace Reik as the title or was it 
> > added to the title?
> > 
> > In example:
> > Would Reik Larry become Draughtin Larry when they went to war, or 
> > would he become Draughtin-Reik Larry, (like Governor-General) at war.
> > 
> > Is there anyone reading these who can help?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Tom
> >
>


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