Reiks at war

[the_lothian]

Hello again,

Thanks for the site addresses.  I have gone from clueless to over-clued
in a week.  I took a quick look at the sites and I think they will be
very helpful in my story.  Thanks for all your help.  I appreciate it.

Tom.
--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
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> In the Gothic Bible, 'þiudans' is used of a king who goes to war:
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> aiþþau hvas þiudans gaggands stigqan wiþra anþarana
þiudan du wiganna,
> niu gasitands faurþis þankeiþ, siaiu mahteigs miþ taihun
þusundjom
> gamotjan þamma miþ twaim tigum þusundjo gaggandin ana sik?
>
> Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down
> first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him
> that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
>
> Luke 14:31
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> 'frauja' "lord" is also used with no Greek model for the noun in a
> military context (II Tim 2:4). I'm not sure whether 'reiks' is used
> anywhere in an explicitly military context.
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> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Ingemar Nordgren" ingemar@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lothian,
> >
> > I am not a linguist but as far as I know they were reiks also when
> > leading a war expedition. Their sacral king, however, was never
> > allowed to leave his own territory when the people was permanently
> > settled, but had to order a reiks to take command. During the
> > wandering, according to Getica at least, the þiuðans was
sacral king
> > and he used 'kings of the army' to lead parts of the united army
(like
> > e.g. Cniva as Wolfram suggests) but I do not know their title in
> > Gothic. Later, after the split between Greutungi/Ostrogoths and
> > Vesi/Tervingi the Ostrogothic king seems to have behaved like an
> > odinistic king while the Vesi had a kindins, family-leader or
> > clan-chief, executing the functions of a sacral king.The Ostrogothic
> > king accordingly seems to have been a reiks continously and from
> > Alaric also the Visgothic king was a reiks, but within
Gutþiuða the
> > tribal chiefs were reiks/kunigaz and so was the kindins (for his own
> > tribe only). Draughtin, Sw. drott, normally is the second in command
> > to the king, he is an earl/jarl, but drott may as well be used to
> > mean a king, a ruler. I never, however, saw this title in connection
> > with an Eastgermanic people. Accordingly I dare not say if it ever
was
> > used with the Goths. The classical authors use dux when describing
the
> > leaders just below the king.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Ingemar
> >
> >
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "the_lothian" <the_lothian@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I am so glad I found this site. I am in the process of writing a
> > > historical novel set during the reign of Constantina I. My goal is
> > > to make it as historically accurate as possible. In line with
that,
> > > I know that the Goths had Reiks, which I think were similar to
tribal
> > > chiefs. I know that when the Goths went to war the war-chiefs
> > > carried the title of Draughtin.
> > >
> > > My question is, did Draughtin replace Reik as the title or was it
> > > added to the title?
> > >
> > > In example:
> > > Would Reik Larry become Draughtin Larry when they went to war, or
> > > would he become Draughtin-Reik Larry, (like Governor-General) at
war.
> > >
> > > Is there anyone reading these who can help?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> >
>



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