Introduction and King Wamba

[Ingemar Nordgren]

Hi Andreas!

I did not grasp the meaning of unction but now  I have checked. I should have done it before of course. Still it is evidently a ceremonie that was not in use in Arian times as far as I grasp.

Best wishes
Ingemar

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Schwarcz" <andreas.schwarcz at ...> wrote:
>
> Wamba was indeed the first king of the Visigoths for 
> whom the ceremony of unction is expressedly 
> attested, but alreeady the canones of the IVth 
> council of Toledo in 633 imply that the kings were 
> unctioned as part of their accession to the throne 
> after the example of king David.
> 
> All the best,
>              Andreas
> 
> "-"
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> 
> On 12 Feb 2012 at 12:29, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:
> 
> > 
> >  
> > There are several legends about Wamba and it is definitely not the usual 
> > way a Visigothic king was appointed. Some details even seem to be part 
> > of the trubadour tradition from Provence which later continues in the 
> > stories of King Arthur like the hunt of the hind. Also in the Didriks 
> > saga the same story of the hunt is recognizeable and it has as well 
> > roots in the Bysantine tradition. I would pay no heed to that story.This 
> > was as well late in the Visigothic era and the kings now, since Reccared 
> > had claimed to be king of Gods grace, were Catholic and not Arian and 
> > the church had a strong position with the very conservative Catholic 
> > Councils in Toledo persecuting both Arians and Jews. A saintly king 
> > suited well into the picture. 
> > 
> > Welcome to the list. I as well hope we can discuss much history and not 
> > only language. It is a little peculiar that we discuss much more Gothic 
> > history on Germanic list than on Gothic where it indeed should be 
> > discussed.
> > 
> > Best greetings
> > Ingemar
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "indiejones46" <indiana.jones465@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am new to this group and first wanted to introduce myself.
> > > 
> > > My name is Alex and i am interested in Gothic history (especially 
> > after reading a book on Alaric the Great). I have a background in 
> > archaeology (degree) and attend excavations in my spare time.
> > > 
> > > I feel i am just starting out on learning about the 'Goth's' and find 
> > this Forum useful. So thank you.
> > > 
> > > I wondered if i could throw out a question that has been intriguing me 
> > since i read about this. This is the 'unction' (right word?) of Wamba 
> > into a King. Is this the first king of the Visigothic race who was 
> > 'crowned' in this way? The description i read of the ceremonial rite 
> > seems exceedingly strange.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone here have a view on this? 
> > > 
> > > I would be most interested in discussing this further, of course, if 
> > others wish to as well.
> > > 
> > > Alex
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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