Borrowed word order in phrases

[George Walkden]

Dear Eduardo,

On the last point - borrowed order becoming default - you may be interested
in Ruth King's work on preposition stranding in Prince Edward Island
French. King argues that this variety borrowed a bunch of strandable
English prepositions, and that the ability to be stranded was only later
extended to native prepositions as well, in examples like "Le gars que je
te parle de".

There's a brief discussion of this work at <
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000032.html>, and the
book can be found at <
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Lexical_Basis_of_Grammatical_Borrowi.html?id=7g7VcyrlirwC&redir_esc=y
>.

Best,

 - George

On Saturday, 14 December 2013, Peter Hook wrote:

> Hi Eduardo,
>
> There has been copious borrowing of complex noun phrases from Persian into
> Urdu and Hindi.  The phrases are not fixed but they are almost always built
> using just Persian nouns.
>
> All the best, Peter Hook
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Eduardo Ribeiro <kariri at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kariri at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> [apologies for cross-posting]
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I'm looking for examples of languages where certain (types of) phrases
>> present a different, borrowed word order when compared to a more
>> common, inherited type.  Well-known examples are, in English, legal
>> terms in which the adjective follows the noun, preserving the original
>> Norman French order: "attorney general", "court martial", etc.
>> (Jespersen 1912:87-88).
>>
>> Are you aware of similar examples from other languages? And of cases
>> in which the borrowed order, originally limited to borrowed lexemes,
>> ended up becoming the default usage?
>>
>> I would appreciate any insights and bibliographic references on this
>> topic.
>>
>> Obrigado,
>>
>> Eduardo
>>
>>
>> --
>> Eduardo Rivail Ribeiro, lingüista
>> http://etnolinguistica.org/perfil:9
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