Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources

Tue Jul 6 04:50:15 UTC 2010

hey Rolland,
thanks for sharing this poem...
i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!

I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
feeling" teeth ....
*"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed poets
and artists *
*can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
....to smile of course!

Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
chopping tools,
and just about defines us as "creators"
I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little he
knew
and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.

Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
truckloads of ignorance.
Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
humility when we need it.

ske:noh
Richard

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have no
> idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>
> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also how
> the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the spiral...a
> bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book of poems,
> 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>
> *oscillations*
>
> you must sleep
> you must dream
>
> your dreaming
> must dream me
> or i cannot dream you
> into my dream
>
> breathing--
>
> in and out
>     motionless
> under archaic lapis
>
> in and out
>     like a bronze man breathing
> his azury breath
> at the azury centre of time
> released from all destructions—
>
>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
> beyond where science cannot go...
>
> -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>
> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
> something pretty universal with that thing.
> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
> technology?
> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
> even near this stuff.
>  Oh and Rolland ,
>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
> everything from
> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
> (see jpg)
> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
> artist/craftsman
> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
> high-tech...
>
>  ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Taanshi.
>>
>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>
>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>
>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>
>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>> Heather Souter
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments and
>>> postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>>> knew you would remember.
>>>
>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>
>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>> remembered.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>>
>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming forgetful.
>>> More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less important and
>>> I find myself thinking about the many things from all my grandparents/elders
>>> I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I would remember....
>>>
>>>  -------
>>> wahjeh
>>>
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>
>>>
>>
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