Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources

Tue Jul 6 05:04:39 UTC 2010

Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual leaders
that take us beyond science and back again....

Eekoshi.
Heather

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:

> hey Rolland,
> thanks for sharing this poem...
> i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>
> I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
> feeling" teeth ....
> *"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
> poets and artists *
> *can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
> ....to smile of course!
>
> Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
> chopping tools,
> and just about defines us as "creators"
> I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little
> he knew
> and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>
> Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
> truckloads of ignorance.
> Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
> humility when we need it.
>
> ske:noh
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
>> no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
>> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
>> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>>
>> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
>> how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
>> spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book
>> of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>>
>> *oscillations*
>>
>> you must sleep
>> you must dream
>>
>> your dreaming
>> must dream me
>> or i cannot dream you
>> into my dream
>>
>> breathing--
>>
>> in and out
>>     motionless
>> under archaic lapis
>>
>> in and out
>>     like a bronze man breathing
>> his azury breath
>> at the azury centre of time
>> released from all destructions—
>>
>>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
>> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
>> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
>> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
>> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
>> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
>> beyond where science cannot go...
>>
>> -------
>> wahjeh
>> rolland nadjiwon
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>> technology?
>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>> even near this stuff.
>>  Oh and Rolland ,
>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>> everything from
>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>> (see jpg)
>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>> artist/craftsman
>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>> high-tech...
>>
>>  ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Taanshi.
>>>
>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>
>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>
>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>
>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>> Heather Souter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your grandchildren
>>>> and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those who are gone
>>>> knew you would remember.
>>>>
>>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>
>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>>> remembered.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>> would remember....
>>>>
>>>>  -------
>>>> wahjeh
>>>>
>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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