[Lexicog] an English idiom

[Allan Johnson]

I see what you mean, Wayne.  I didn't quite get it before.  You're
wondering where that phrase came from, because it does not come from the
Greek.  Yesterday I tried googling for the phrase "my soul is swallowed up
in sorrow", and found some mis-information about it here:

http://www.geocities.com/bible_translation/idioms.txt

Under Mark 14:34, this phrase from HCSB is marked as "translated so
literally that its meaning will likely not be understood by average English
readers,"  while 12 other translations are evaluated as translating it "in
a way that its meaning can be understood by average native English
speakers".  But today I checked an interlinear Greek NT and found that just
as you said, this actually is not a literal translation at all.

Allan J.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Leman" <wayne_leman at sil.org>
To: <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: [Lexicog] an English idiom


>
> >
> > Wayne, I would agree that "my soul is swallowed up by sorrow" is not an
> > English idiom but I can certainly understand it. Is it the same Greek
> > verb as in 1 Corinthians 15 where Paul writes "death is swallowed up in
> > victory"?
>
> No, it is not, Chaz. In Mark 14.34 there is only the verb perilupos (with
> the prefix peri- it is an intensive form of the adjective lupe 'sad')
'very
> sad' which has no lexical connection to the verb katapino 'swallow' in 1
> Cor. 15.54.
>
> I can account for the translation of Mark 14.34 only by assuming that the
> English translators were attempting to create an intensive meaning, but I
> still cannot think of any extant English expression which would be close
to
> it.
>
> Wayne
> -----
> Wayne Leman
> Cheyenne dictionary project
>
> > The meaning of that sentence is clear, too, but I wouldn't
> > call it an idiom any more than I would call the first one an idiom.
> >
> > -Chaz



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