[Lexicog] Morphological glossing of Cheyenne idiom?

Mon Mar 19 23:05:39 UTC 2007

Hi David.

Thanks for your response and question. You are correct, 'a' in the sentences is better glossed as PROG than as copula. Blame sloppiness and laziness for that one. While it is best to gloss it PROG for clarity it should be noted that they are probably both from the same source historically.

Joseph

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From: David Frank <david_frank at sil.org>
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Subject: Re: [Lexicog]  Morphological glossing of Cheyenne idiom?

Joseph --

Thank you for adding the interesting 
Jamaican Creole examples, where illnesses or problems are personified. I have a 
question for you.

You gloss "a" in the Jamaican as COP, 
which I take to mean the copula. Is that not the same form as the progressive 
apect marker, and can't it go before an active verb? Couldn't Jamaican a 
kil be analyzed as 'PROG kill'?

-- David Frank

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  glossing of Cheyenne idiom?

  Not 
  Cheyenne, but for what it is worth you might want to know that in Jamaican 
  Creole to express extreme cases of  illnesses and other thing affecting 
  the human body you can personify the illness/problem:

Di fluu lik/nak 
  mi dong (DET flu lick/knock me down)

Di fiiva lik mi dong (DET fever 
  lick me down)

Hongri a kil mi. (hunger COP kill me)

Pien a bos 
  mi shot (pain COP burst my shirt)

And if it is any consolation to those 
  who fear personified illnesses, you can also say:

Haspital pik im op 
  (hospital pick him up)

But this is a situation that you would rather 
  avoid

Joseph

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Subject: [Lexicog] Morphological glossing of Cheyenne 
  idiom?

Wayne,

After the storm of discussion regarding social attitudes 
  toward women
unleashed in the aftermath of your original inquiry, I'm still 
  interested
to know the morphological analysis of the Cheyenne expression 
  for catching
a bad cold. What signals that Cold is being personified? (In 
  Navajo I know
that this would not normally be possible, because of the 
  animacy hierarchy,
but Navajo speakers do play with the grammatical 
  constraints. )

Thanks,

Rudy
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Cheyenne idiom:

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