[Lexicog] Morphological glossing of Cheyenne idiom?

[David Frank]

Joseph --

Thank you for adding the interesting Jamaican Creole examples, where illnesses or problems are personified. I have a question for you.

You gloss "a" in the Jamaican as COP, which I take to mean the copula. Is that not the same form as the progressive apect marker, and can't it go before an active verb? Couldn't Jamaican a kil be analyzed as 'PROG kill'?

-- David Frank

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph Farquharson 
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  Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Lexicog] Morphological glossing of Cheyenne idiom?


  Not Cheyenne, but for what it is worth you might want to know that in Jamaican Creole to express extreme cases of  illnesses and other thing affecting the human body you can personify the illness/problem:

  Di fluu lik/nak mi dong (DET flu lick/knock me down)

  Di fiiva lik mi dong (DET fever lick me down)

  Hongri a kil mi. (hunger COP kill me)

  Pien a bos mi shot (pain COP burst my shirt)

  And if it is any consolation to those who fear personified illnesses, you can also say:

  Haspital pik im op (hospital pick him up)

  But this is a situation that you would rather avoid

  Joseph


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  Wayne,

  After the storm of discussion regarding social attitudes toward women
  unleashed in the aftermath of your original inquiry, I'm still interested
  to know the morphological analysis of the Cheyenne expression for catching
  a bad cold. What signals that Cold is being personified? (In Navajo I know
  that this would not normally be possible, because of the animacy hierarchy,
  but Navajo speakers do play with the grammatical constraints. )

  Thanks,

  Rudy
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  Rudy Troike

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  I enjoy learning new idioms in any language. Yesterday I heard a new
  Cheyenne idiom:

  Náma'xene'enéseha He'haévêháne. 'I came down with a bad cold.'
  [lit. Cold
  (personified) beat me up bad.]

  Wayne
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  Wayne Leman







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