[lg policy] RE: question for the members of this list

Sun Jan 3 23:21:48 UTC 2010

Dear Professor Schiffman
I agree with every single comment that has been made so far in answer to your question so yes please keep sending us the 'squibs'. I don't always read all the postings on this list at once but I often go back though them for one reason or another. For example, your postings show how polity after polity is turning to mother tongue-based learning and this fact is often a matter of interest in the local press.  Your list is also just about the only one that raises awareness continually of the role of language in the case of the Tamils. The 'squibs' are also great for generating research ideas. May I also say how interesting I found your postings on the BNP, another great source for critical analysis. So thank you Professor and please keep up your good work.
Best wishes for 2010,
Kerry
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   2. Re: question for the members of this list (Catherine Young)
   3. Re: question for the members of this list (lgpolicy-list
      Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3) (Ayaz Ahmed)
   4. Re: question for the members of this list (Christina Paulston)
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:00:38 -0500
From: "Stacy Churchill" <schurchill at oise.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
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Hal:

Happy New Year. Yes, the snippets are exactly on topic for any modern or
post-modern conceptualization of language policy. Keep them coming; it's
easy to delete any that are not interesting to us but very hard to find
the little treasures that suit our own idiosyncratic research interests.
Stacy

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Professor Emeritus
Education Policy and Minority Education Policy
Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, Univ. of Toronto

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Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu> writes:
>All:
>
>I have a question that I would like an answer to.  I receive a daily
>"google alert" on the topic of "language policy." This is a service
>I requested of Google, and what they do is search the web for any
>mention of "language" and "policy" in the messages they
>transmit.  They compile a list and forward it to me, and I read the
>messages to see if they are germane to our topic. (Many
>are not--many messages talk about the "language" of a policy, by which
>they mean the wording of the text, not the human
>organ of speech and/or a named variety of language.)
>
>Recently, the google alerts have been turning up bibliographic items
>such as articles or monographs about language policy,
>and I have forwarded some of these to the list.  Nobody has complained
>about this, but I wonder if this is useful to anyone. For example,
>yesterday I forwarded a message about the language policy of the Food
>and Agricultural Organization, a two-line squib mentioning
>which order they list language icons in.  Others have been from
>various jurisdictions in South Africa, which seems to be requiring
>or at least urging people to formulate a language policy, and make it
>known; these have included the Stellenbosch University,
>the government of the Western Cape, and others.  Further examples
>include departments of a Danish university, such as the Engineering
>School.
>
>Since I always tell my students that language policies can be found in
>lots of different nooks and crannies of the world, not just
>the governments of states, but religious organizations, labor unions,
>and other jurisdictions and polities, these are good examples
>of that.  It also reminds us that sometimes a body may have a covert
>policy, i.e. one that assumes that a certain language will
>be "official" but doesn't state it explicitly.  These, of course, get
>no mention.
>
>Anyway, my question is: would you like me to continue to forward these
>"mini-squibs" about language policy, e.g. in the FAO,
>or should I be more judicious?
>
>Thanks, and Happy New Year!
>
>H. Schiffman
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:05:23 +0700
From: Catherine Young <catherine_young at sil.org>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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Yes, please do ... I have found these "snippets" very helpful as I
consider issues relating to policy decisions.

Catherine
**********
Catherine Young
Mobile: +880 171 411 7456
Skype: palawan05

On 2 Jan 2010, at 23:19, Harold Schiffman wrote:

All:

I have a question that I would like an answer to.  I receive a daily
"google alert" on the topic of "language policy." This is a service
I requested of Google, and what they do is search the web for any
mention of "language" and "policy" in the messages they
transmit.  They compile a list and forward it to me, and I read the
messages to see if they are germane to our topic. (Many
are not--many messages talk about the "language" of a policy, by which
they mean the wording of the text, not the human
organ of speech and/or a named variety of language.)

Recently, the google alerts have been turning up bibliographic items
such as articles or monographs about language policy,
and I have forwarded some of these to the list.  Nobody has complained
about this, but I wonder if this is useful to anyone. For example,
yesterday I forwarded a message about the language policy of the Food
and Agricultural Organization, a two-line squib mentioning
which order they list language icons in.  Others have been from
various jurisdictions in South Africa, which seems to be requiring
or at least urging people to formulate a language policy, and make it
known; these have included the Stellenbosch University,
the government of the Western Cape, and others.  Further examples
include departments of a Danish university, such as the Engineering
School.

Since I always tell my students that language policies can be found in
lots of different nooks and crannies of the world, not just
the governments of states, but religious organizations, labor unions,
and other jurisdictions and polities, these are good examples
of that.  It also reminds us that sometimes a body may have a covert
policy, i.e. one that assumes that a certain language will
be "official" but doesn't state it explicitly.  These, of course, get
no mention.

Anyway, my question is: would you like me to continue to forward these
"mini-squibs" about language policy, e.g. in the FAO,
or should I be more judicious?

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

H. Schiffman

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:57:41 +0500
From: Ayaz Ahmed <ayazmardan at gmail.com>
Subject: [lg policy] Re: question for the members of this list
        (lgpolicy-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3)
To: lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu
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This is a very useful effort and it would help language policy analysts who
approach language from different angles. Language Policy as new domain lacks
boundaries and to limit it to some specific fields would be to deny an
opportunity to it to grow in other areas which at present are fuzzy but they
might be vital in future. Limiting the scope of Language policy by filtering
information is not judicious.I would suggest to include soft categories or
labels to sort information and help people easily access information of
their interest. If in the subject areas tags are also included it would
help. There would be other means also, to improve search for the desired
contents.

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>   3. Re: question for the members of this list (Eve Haque)
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> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:55:03 -0500
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> Subject: [lg policy] Sri Lanka: Incentives for Second Language
>        proficiency
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> Incentives for Second Language proficiency
> M.P. Muttiah
>
> Constitutional Affairs and National Integration Minister D.E.W.
> Gunasekera said to implement the Official Languages Policy in the
> Ministries, Departments and Local Government Institutions, the
> delegation of responsibility had been gazetted. He said the gazette
> notification had set out the delegation of responsibility for
> implementing the Official Language Policy and the responsibility of
> the Chief Language Implementation Officer as well as Language
> Implementation Officer.  Minister Gunasekera said the Public
> Administration Ministry would implement the gazette notification by a
> circular on the delegation of responsibility to implement of the
> Official Languages Policy. He added that in 2007, his ministry with
> the collaboration of the Public Administration Ministry took the
> initiative to bi-lingualise the public service.
>
> He said the circular provides incentives for officers in the public
> service who acquired competency in the second language either Sinhala
> or Tamil.  President Mahinda Rajapaksa's Government took a policy
> decision that the new entrants to the public service are required to
> acquire competency in the second language within five years, failure
> of which could result in non-confirmation of their positions.
>
> http://www.dailynews.lk/2010/01/02/news28.asp
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:19:20 -0500
> From: Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com>
> Subject: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
> To: lp <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> All:
>
> I have a question that I would like an answer to.  I receive a daily
> "google alert" on the topic of "language policy." This is a service
> I requested of Google, and what they do is search the web for any
> mention of "language" and "policy" in the messages they
> transmit.  They compile a list and forward it to me, and I read the
> messages to see if they are germane to our topic. (Many
> are not--many messages talk about the "language" of a policy, by which
> they mean the wording of the text, not the human
> organ of speech and/or a named variety of language.)
>
> Recently, the google alerts have been turning up bibliographic items
> such as articles or monographs about language policy,
> and I have forwarded some of these to the list.  Nobody has complained
> about this, but I wonder if this is useful to anyone. For example,
> yesterday I forwarded a message about the language policy of the Food
> and Agricultural Organization, a two-line squib mentioning
> which order they list language icons in.  Others have been from
> various jurisdictions in South Africa, which seems to be requiring
> or at least urging people to formulate a language policy, and make it
> known; these have included the Stellenbosch University,
> the government of the Western Cape, and others.  Further examples
> include departments of a Danish university, such as the Engineering
> School.
>
> Since I always tell my students that language policies can be found in
> lots of different nooks and crannies of the world, not just
> the governments of states, but religious organizations, labor unions,
> and other jurisdictions and polities, these are good examples
> of that.  It also reminds us that sometimes a body may have a covert
> policy, i.e. one that assumes that a certain language will
> be "official" but doesn't state it explicitly.  These, of course, get
> no mention.
>
> Anyway, my question is: would you like me to continue to forward these
> "mini-squibs" about language policy, e.g. in the FAO,
> or should I be more judicious?
>
> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
>
> H. Schiffman
>
> --
> **************************************
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> its members
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> (H. Schiffman, Moderator)
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:30:03 -0500
> From: Eve Haque <ehaque at yorku.ca>
> Subject: Re: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
> To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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> yes please and happy new year...
> Eve
>
> Harold Schiffman wrote:
> > All:
> >
> > I have a question that I would like an answer to.  I receive a daily
> > "google alert" on the topic of "language policy." This is a service
> > I requested of Google, and what they do is search the web for any
> > mention of "language" and "policy" in the messages they
> > transmit.  They compile a list and forward it to me, and I read the
> > messages to see if they are germane to our topic. (Many
> > are not--many messages talk about the "language" of a policy, by which
> > they mean the wording of the text, not the human
> > organ of speech and/or a named variety of language.)
> >
> > Recently, the google alerts have been turning up bibliographic items
> > such as articles or monographs about language policy,
> > and I have forwarded some of these to the list.  Nobody has complained
> > about this, but I wonder if this is useful to anyone. For example,
> > yesterday I forwarded a message about the language policy of the Food
> > and Agricultural Organization, a two-line squib mentioning
> > which order they list language icons in.  Others have been from
> > various jurisdictions in South Africa, which seems to be requiring
> > or at least urging people to formulate a language policy, and make it
> > known; these have included the Stellenbosch University,
> > the government of the Western Cape, and others.  Further examples
> > include departments of a Danish university, such as the Engineering
> > School.
> >
> > Since I always tell my students that language policies can be found in
> > lots of different nooks and crannies of the world, not just
> > the governments of states, but religious organizations, labor unions,
> > and other jurisdictions and polities, these are good examples
> > of that.  It also reminds us that sometimes a body may have a covert
> > policy, i.e. one that assumes that a certain language will
> > be "official" but doesn't state it explicitly.  These, of course, get
> > no mention.
> >
> > Anyway, my question is: would you like me to continue to forward these
> > "mini-squibs" about language policy, e.g. in the FAO,
> > or should I be more judicious?
> >
> > Thanks, and Happy New Year!
> >
> > H. Schiffman
> >
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:02 -0500
From: Christina Paulston <paulston at pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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Hal,
        I don't know if you have thought of it or not  (probably you have)
but this is one place where language-interested people can come
together without -- well mostly -- ideological baggage: atheists and
missionaries, liberals and an occasional conservative,
Hindus and Muslims,  Swedes and Norwegians (   :-)  my grandfather's
generation)  to discuss and learn about language issues
--  you can't censor it , which is in fact what you would do if you
start "sorting" what is interesting or not.  Panning for gold comes in
snippets.  Christina

On Jan 2, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Catherine Young wrote:

> Yes, please do ... I have found these "snippets" very helpful as I
> consider issues relating to policy decisions.
>
> Catherine
> **********
> Catherine Young
> Mobile: +880 171 411 7456
> Skype: palawan05
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Jan 2010, at 23:19, Harold Schiffman wrote:
>
> All:
>
> I have a question that I would like an answer to.  I receive a daily
> "google alert" on the topic of "language policy." This is a service
> I requested of Google, and what they do is search the web for any
> mention of "language" and "policy" in the messages they
> transmit.  They compile a list and forward it to me, and I read the
> messages to see if they are germane to our topic. (Many
> are not--many messages talk about the "language" of a policy, by which
> they mean the wording of the text, not the human
> organ of speech and/or a named variety of language.)
>
> Recently, the google alerts have been turning up bibliographic items
> such as articles or monographs about language policy,
> and I have forwarded some of these to the list.  Nobody has complained
> about this, but I wonder if this is useful to anyone. For example,
> yesterday I forwarded a message about the language policy of the Food
> and Agricultural Organization, a two-line squib mentioning
> which order they list language icons in.  Others have been from
> various jurisdictions in South Africa, which seems to be requiring
> or at least urging people to formulate a language policy, and make it
> known; these have included the Stellenbosch University,
> the government of the Western Cape, and others.  Further examples
> include departments of a Danish university, such as the Engineering
> School.
>
> Since I always tell my students that language policies can be found in
> lots of different nooks and crannies of the world, not just
> the governments of states, but religious organizations, labor unions,
> and other jurisdictions and polities, these are good examples
> of that.  It also reminds us that sometimes a body may have a covert
> policy, i.e. one that assumes that a certain language will
> be "official" but doesn't state it explicitly.  These, of course, get
> no mention.
>
> Anyway, my question is: would you like me to continue to forward these
> "mini-squibs" about language policy, e.g. in the FAO,
> or should I be more judicious?
>
> Thanks, and Happy New Year!
>
> H. Schiffman
>
> --
> **************************************
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> its members
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 05:24:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Tariq Rahman <drt_rahman at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
To: Language Policy List <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
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Dear Professor Schiffman,
Please keep forwarding them. One never knows which one will contain a nugget. Happy New Year to you and all other colleagues on this list.
Tariq Rahman

Dr. Tariq Rahman
Distinguished National Professor & Director
National Institute of Pakistan Studies
Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad
Pakistan.

My other email addresses are:-
trahman at nips.qau.edu.pk, director.nips at yahoo.com

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Harold Schiffman <hfsclpp at gmail.com>
Subject: [lg policy] question for the members of this list
To: "lp" <lgpolicy-list at groups.sas.upenn.edu>
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 8:19 AM

All:

I have a question that I would like an answer to.? I receive a daily
"google alert" on the topic of "language policy." This is a service
I requested of Google, and what they do is search the web for any
mention of "language" and "policy" in the messages they
transmit.? They compile a list and forward it to me, and I read the
messages to see if they are germane to our topic. (Many
are not--many messages talk about the "language" of a policy, by which
they mean the wording of the text, not the human
organ of speech and/or a named variety of language.)

Recently, the google alerts have been turning up bibliographic items
such as articles or monographs about language policy,
and I have forwarded some of these to the list.? Nobody has complained
about this, but I wonder if this is useful to anyone. For example,
yesterday I forwarded a message about the language policy of the Food
and Agricultural Organization, a two-line squib mentioning
which order they list language icons in.? Others have been from
various jurisdictions in South Africa, which seems to be requiring
or at least urging people to formulate a language policy, and make it
known; these have included the Stellenbosch University,
the government of the Western Cape, and others.? Further examples
include departments of a Danish university, such as the Engineering
School.

Since I always tell my students that language policies can be found in
lots of different nooks and crannies of the world, not just
the governments of states, but religious organizations, labor unions,
and other jurisdictions and polities, these are good examples
of that.? It also reminds us that sometimes a body may have a covert
policy, i.e. one that assumes that a certain language will
be "official" but doesn't state it explicitly.? These, of course, get
no mention.

Anyway, my question is: would you like me to continue to forward these
"mini-squibs" about language policy, e.g. in the FAO,
or should I be more judicious?

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

H. Schiffman

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