[lg policy] Re: lgpolicy-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6

[E. Annamalai]

The way I look at the difference between the vernacular and the dialect is this. Dialect is a speech variety bound on historical, political and cultural grounds to a larger whole called language. If you reject that binding for political and cultural reasons, it ceases to be a dialect and is viewed as a language. Vernacular, on the other hand, is a relationship of a language with another language. The relationship between languages is also defined by economic, political and cultural power. Vernaculars may have less or none of this power. Even languages that have solid literary production but do not match the cultural power of the language of control and cosmopolitanism are called vernaculars.

E.Annamalai





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   1. Re: Vernacular vs Dialect Debate  (mostari hind)


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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 10:48:06 -0800 (PST)
From: mostari hind <hmostari at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [lg policy] Vernacular vs Dialect Debate 
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Dear Graves ,
Thanks for your comment but it does not give a thorough distinction between the concepts .�aiting for your comments dear members�
Dr Mostaro�


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:02 PM, Jeremy Graves <jayrkirk42 at yahoo.com> wrote:

My understanding is that you're touching on a never-ending debate within Linguistics. I usually hear it framed in terms of dialect vs. language, not necessarily vernacular. However, I suspect the same principles apply. From an objective scientific point-of-view, what qualifies as the same language may be considered separate languages by different groups of speakers for political or cultural reasons. In my language and society class, we've repeatedly touched on the idea that language attitude trumps Linguistics - that is to say, what speakers themselves perceive as separate dialects (or vernacular varieties) is more important than the objective Linguistic reality.



On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:42 PM, mostari hind <hmostari at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear List Member ,�
For verrnacular vs dialect distinction; I noticed that some authors prefer using the term dialect, while others use as a synonym the term vernacular . Nevertheless, I got a Pr in linguistics who confirms that vernacular is a variety which is socially and economically dominated by another group .
Stewart ( 1963) suggests that the only difference is that vernacular is a standardized variety whereas dialect is not !
I am a bit confused , is there any comments on this?

Best
Dr Mostari�_______________________________________________
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