[Lingtyp] Any references on temporal relative clauses
Randy J. LaPolla
randy.lapolla at gmail.com
Tue Dec 11 08:19:14 UTC 2018
Dear Adam,
I often avoid the term “relative clause” in talking about Sino-Tibetan languages, because the relevant structure in those languages is often quite unlike the SAE idea of relative clause. In the 2017 book cited in my earlier message, we used the expression “noun-modifying clause constructions” (“clausal noun-modifying constructions" might be better for some). I particularly do not use the term “relativisation” as it implies some sort of transformationalist view of grammar. The function of clausal noun modifiers is either to restrict the identification of the referent referred to (constrain the addressee’s inference of what referent the speaker intends to refer to) or to add extra information about a referent that is already unproblematically identifiable. In English these two functions have very different structural manifestations, but that isn’t true of all languages. I talk about the history of the development of these structures in Sino-Tibetan in several articles, including the two I mentioned.
Randy
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Randy J. LaPolla, PhD FAHA （羅仁地）
Professor of Linguistics, with courtesy appointment in Chinese, School of Humanities
Nanyang Technological University
HSS-03-45, 14 Nanyang Drive | Singapore 637332
http://randylapolla.net/ <http://randylapolla.net/>
Most recent books:
The Sino-Tibetan Languages, 2nd Edition (2017)
https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324 <https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324>
Sino-Tibetan Linguistics (2018)
https://www.routledge.com/Sino-Tibetan-Linguistics/LaPolla/p/book/9780415577397 <https://www.routledge.com/Sino-Tibetan-Linguistics/LaPolla/p/book/9780415577397>
> On 11 Dec 2018, at 10:27 AM, Adam James Ross Tallman <ajrtallman at utexas.edu> wrote:
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> what *is* a relative clause anyways? and what exactly is the function of "relativization"?
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> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:15 PM Adam James Ross Tallman <ajrtallman at utexas.edu <mailto:ajrtallman at utexas.edu>> wrote:
> Hey Jesus,
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> In Chacobo temporal frame adverbial expressions are coded with a "relativization strategy" that takes a time of day noun and a deictic motion verb. I used to think they were bona fide relative clauses, but its probably better to think of them as clausal nominalizations.
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> from my grammar on page 757.
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> Adam
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> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 8:05 PM Randy J. LaPolla <randy.lapolla at gmail.com <mailto:randy.lapolla at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear Jesús,
> In Sino-Tibetan languages that is the most common pattern. Here are references on Mandarin (Sinitic) and Rawang (Tibeto-Burman) relative clauses, both of which include examples of the type you are looking for:
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> LaPolla, Randy J. 2008b. Relative clause structures in the Rawang language. Language and Linguistics 9.4:797-812.
> www.ntu.edu.sg/home/randylapolla/Papers/LaPolla_2008_Relative_Clause_Structures_in_the_Rawang_Language.pdf <http://www.ntu.edu.sg/home/randylapolla/Papers/LaPolla_2008_Relative_Clause_Structures_in_the_Rawang_Language.pdf>
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> LaPolla, Randy J. 2017. Noun-Modifying Clause Constructions in Sino-Tibetan Languages. In Yoshiko Matsumoto, Bernard Comrie, & Peter Sells (eds.), Noun-Modifying Clause Constructions in Languages of Eurasia: Reshaping theoretical and geographical boundaries, 91-103. Amsterdam, Philadelphia: John Benjamins Pub. Co.
> http://www.ntu.edu.sg/home/randylapolla/Papers/LaPolla_2017_Noun-modifying_clause_constructions_in_Sino-Tibetan_languages.pdf <http://www.ntu.edu.sg/home/randylapolla/Papers/LaPolla_2017_Noun-modifying_clause_constructions_in_Sino-Tibetan_languages.pdf>
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> Hope these are of use to you.
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> All the best,
> Randy
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> Randy J. LaPolla, PhD FAHA （羅仁地）
> Professor of Linguistics, with courtesy appointment in Chinese, School of Humanities
> Nanyang Technological University
> HSS-03-45, 14 Nanyang Drive | Singapore 637332
> http://randylapolla.net/ <http://randylapolla.net/>
> Most recent books:
> The Sino-Tibetan Languages, 2nd Edition (2017)
> https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324 <https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324>
> Sino-Tibetan Linguistics (2018)
> https://www.routledge.com/Sino-Tibetan-Linguistics/LaPolla/p/book/9780415577397 <https://www.routledge.com/Sino-Tibetan-Linguistics/LaPolla/p/book/9780415577397>
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>> On 11 Dec 2018, at 8:19 AM, Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> Member <jesus_olguinmartinez at hotmail.com <mailto:jesus_olguinmartinez at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Dear all,
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>> As you know in many languages temporal, locative, and manner adverbial clauses are structurally identical to relative clauses. This structural identity between relative clauses and adverbial clauses is not infrequent. As Thompson et al. (2007: 245) point out adverbial clauses expressing time, location, and manner can commonly be paraphrased, in many languages, “with a relative clause with a generic and relatively semantically empty head noun: time, place, and way/manner, respectively”.
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>> I send you this message because currently I am working on a final paper for a course I am taking that explores “temporal relatives in the world´s languages”, as can be seen in the examples in (1) and (2).
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>> Kisi (Niger-Congo/Mel; Childs 1995: 287)
>> (1) ŋ̀ cò cììkìáŋ, lɔ́ɔ́ ŋ̀ cò hùnɔ́ɔ́-ó.
>> 1pl.sbj aux meet time 2sg.sbj aux come-rel
>> ʻWe will see you when you come.ʼ
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>> Araki (Austronesian/Oceanic: Vanuatu; François 2002: 182)
>> (2) mo vari-a nunu
>> 3sg.real take-3sg shadow
>> ʻHe took the photo
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>> lo dani no-m̈am ta mo pa m̈is m̈audu ro.
>> loc day poss-1exc.pl <http://poss-1exc.pl/> dad 3sg.real seq still live prog
>> at the time our father was still aliveʼ
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>> What I have found so far is that this construction seems to be very frequent in many African (e.g. Eton, Koyra Chiini, Jalkunan, Fongbe, etc) and Oceanic languages (e.g. Daakaka, Toqabaqita, 'Are'are, etc.). I was wondering if you are aware of:
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>> any paper(s) that has explore this type of construction.
>> any languages that have this type of construction.
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>> Any help will be appreciated!
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>> Best,
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>> Jesús Olguín Martínez
>> Ph.D. Student, Dept. of Linguistics
>> University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB)
>> http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jesús-olguín-martínez <http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jes%C3%BAs-olgu%C3%ADn-mart%C3%ADnez>
>> References
>> Childs, G. Tucker. 1995. A Grammar of Kisi: A Southern Atlantic Language. Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton.
>> François, Alexandre. 2002. Araki: A Disappearing Language of Vanuatu. (Pacific Linguistics, 522.) Canberra: Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies, Australian National University.
>> Thompson, Sandra, Longacre, Robert & Hwang, Shin. 2007. Adverbial Clauses. In Language Typology and Syntactic Description, Volume II: Complex Constructions, Timothy Shopen (ed.), 237-300. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
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