[Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers

Fri Jan 11 22:28:29 UTC 2019

Dear Ponrawee,

some varieties of Romani (Indo-Aryan) of Slovakia and Hungary (and some Romani varieties possibly of other regions, too) allow the omission of spatial goal (and sometimes also stative location) marking.

In Kisbajom Romani (spoken in a village in southwestern Hungary), the preposition /ande/ "in, to" may be omitted when it encodes goal or location with named inhabited localities, i.e. towns and villages (Bodnárová 2015: 237).
https://www.academia.edu/37054094/Vend_Romani_a_Grammatical_Description_and_Sociolinguistic_Situation_of_the_so-called_Vend_dialects_of_Romani

In Selice Romani (spoken in a village in southwestern Slovakia; my fieldwork), zero marking may occur with common institutional goals, e.g. /džas (andi) búti?/ [go.PRES.2SS # into.DEF.F.SG # work] "are you going to (your) work(place)?" or /džav (andi) iškola/ [go.PRES.1SG # into.DEF.F.SG # school] "I'm going to school". (Names of localities require overt locative case marking in this variety, e.g. /džav Požomate/ [go.PRES.1SG # Bratislava.LOC] "I am going to Bratislava".)

Best regards,

Viktor Elšík
Department of Linguistics
Charles University, Prague
Czech Republic

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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers

In southwestern Macedonian (and increasingly in colloquial Macedonian in general)
goal & location, which in the standard language are realized by the same preposition (v/vo 'in, to' na 'on/at, onto/to' depending on the noun)
& the preposition can be realzied as Ø
e.g. odam vo Bitola 'I'm going to Bitola' > odam Bitola
and also jas sum vo Tetovo [na teren] 'I'm in Tetovo' [in the field] > Jas sum Tetovo [na teren]
NB teren 'field' as in 'field work', i.e. a place one goes to for professional reasons.

Victor A. Friedman
Andrew W. Mellon Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus in the Humanities, University of Chicago
Research Professor, La Trobe University
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers

Dear colleague,

Something like that happened in quite a few Northern Chinese dialects. Generally, however, while the goal marker (you could say it's a suffix on the verb) in itself disappeared, it generally leaves a trace on the verb root, in terms of tone change (something like ablaut in Indo-European languages).

A couple of accessible references on this:
https://hal-inalco.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01283726/document (by C. Lamarre)
https://brill.com/view/journals/bcl/8/1/article-p5_3.xml (by myself).

Best,

Giorgio

Il giorno ven 11 gen 2019 alle ore 19:53 Ponrawee Prasertsom <ponrawee.pra at gmail.com<mailto:ponrawee.pra at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
Dear all,

I am looking for languages where goal markers (case affixes, prepositions, etc. corresponding to English to) developed into zero, i.e. are lost. That is, from something like I go to school to I go school. Does anyone know of such cases?

Currently, I am aware of only one such case: goal preposition loss on Asia Minor Greek (Karatsareas and Georgakopoulos 2016), which reconstructs history from variation among dialects (se > se/∅ > ∅).

Ideally, I would like cases with attested historical data, but reconstruction or any other relevant data such as ongoing change etc. is also welcome.

Reference:

Karatsareas, Petros and Thanasis Georgakopoulos. 2016. From syntagmatic to paradigmatic spatial zeroes: The loss of the preposition se in inner Asia Minor Greek. STUF - Language Typology and Universals, 69(2), 309-340.

Yours sincerely,

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Department of Linguistics
Faculty of Arts, Chulalongkorn University
Bangkok, Thailand
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