[Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers

Sat Jan 12 02:03:07 UTC 2019

There are various British English dialects that have developed the ability
to drop *to* under certain syntactic and semantic circumstances, which vary
by dialect.  See the attached and also this handout by David Hall:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZfblrGf3pJUo2Ob0wEn7_X2yOwCQrdHX/view
Best,
Neil

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:29 PM Viktor Elšík <viktor_elsik at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Ponrawee,
>
> some varieties of Romani (Indo-Aryan) of Slovakia and Hungary (and some
> Romani varieties possibly of other regions, too) allow the omission of
> spatial goal (and sometimes also stative location) marking.
>
> In Kisbajom Romani (spoken in a village in southwestern Hungary), the
> preposition /ande/ "in, to" may be omitted when it encodes goal or
> location with named inhabited localities, i.e. towns and villages (Bodnárová
> 2015: 237).
>
> https://www.academia.edu/37054094/Vend_Romani_a_Grammatical_Description_and_Sociolinguistic_Situation_of_the_so-called_Vend_dialects_of_Romani
>
> In Selice Romani (spoken in a village in southwestern Slovakia; my
> fieldwork), zero marking may occur with common institutional goals, e.g.
> /džas (andi) búti?/ [go.PRES.2SS # into.DEF.F.SG # work] "are you going
> to (your) work(place)?" or /džav (andi) iškola/ [go.PRES.1SG #
> into.DEF.F.SG # school] "I'm going to school". (Names of localities
> require overt locative case marking in this variety, e.g. /džav Požomate/
> [go.PRES.1SG # Bratislava.LOC] "I am going to Bratislava".)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Viktor Elšík
> Department of Linguistics
> Charles University, Prague
> Czech Republic
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Victor Friedman <vfriedm at uchicago.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2019 10:36 PM
> *To:* Giorgio Francesco Arcodia; Ponrawee Prasertsom
> *Cc:* LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers
>
> In southwestern Macedonian (and increasingly in colloquial Macedonian in
> general)
> goal & location, which in the standard language are realized by the same
> preposition (v/vo 'in, to' na 'on/at, onto/to' depending on the noun)
> & the preposition can be realzied as Ø
> e.g. odam vo Bitola 'I'm going to Bitola' > odam Bitola
> and also jas sum vo Tetovo [na teren] 'I'm in Tetovo' [in the field] > Jas
> sum Tetovo [na teren]
> NB teren 'field' as in 'field work', i.e. a place one goes to for
> professional reasons.
>
> Victor A. Friedman
> Andrew W. Mellon Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus in the
> Humanities, University of Chicago
> Research Professor, La Trobe University
> ________________________________________
> From: Lingtyp [lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org] on behalf of
> Giorgio Francesco Arcodia [giorgio.arcodia at unimib.it]
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 20:45
> To: Ponrawee Prasertsom
> Cc: LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers
>
> Dear colleague,
>
> Something like that happened in quite a few Northern Chinese dialects.
> Generally, however, while the goal marker (you could say it's a suffix on
> the verb) in itself disappeared, it generally leaves a trace on the verb
> root, in terms of tone change (something like ablaut in Indo-European
> languages).
>
> A couple of accessible references on this:
> https://hal-inalco.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01283726/document (by C.
> Lamarre)
> https://brill.com/view/journals/bcl/8/1/article-p5_3.xml (by myself).
>
> Best,
>
> Giorgio
>
> Il giorno ven 11 gen 2019 alle ore 19:53 Ponrawee Prasertsom <
> ponrawee.pra at gmail.com<mailto:ponrawee.pra at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
> Dear all,
>
> I am looking for languages where goal markers (case affixes, prepositions,
> etc. corresponding to English to) developed into zero, i.e. are lost. That
> is, from something like I go to school to I go school. Does anyone know of
> such cases?
>
> Currently, I am aware of only one such case: goal preposition loss on Asia
> Minor Greek (Karatsareas and Georgakopoulos 2016), which reconstructs
> history from variation among dialects (se > se/∅ > ∅).
>
> Ideally, I would like cases with attested historical data, but
> reconstruction or any other relevant data such as ongoing change etc. is
> also welcome.
>
> Reference:
>
> Karatsareas, Petros and Thanasis Georgakopoulos. 2016. From syntagmatic to
> paradigmatic spatial zeroes: The loss of the preposition se in inner Asia
> Minor Greek. STUF - Language Typology and Universals, 69(2), 309-340.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
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