[Lingtyp] demonstratives - how (relatively) stable?

Jorge Rosés Labrada jrosesla at ualberta.ca
Mon Mar 11 13:15:20 UTC 2019

Dear Mark, dear everyone,

A recent article that may have what you are looking for is:

Vindenes, Urd. 2018. Cyclic renewal of demonstratives. *Studies in Language
*42:3, 641–668. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1075/sl.17047.vin

More general claims about the grammaticalization of demonstratives into
other parts of speech can be found in the work of Holger Diessel. There's
also a thread on this listserv from a year or so ago from Bernd Heine that
had a number of replies with useful sources about possible cases of the
genesis of demonstratives from other parts of speech.


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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:46 AM Joo Ian <ian.joo at outlook.com> wrote:

> Dear Mark,
> In fact the attached studies shows that deictic systems tend to be iconic
> (high F2 for proximal, low F2 for distal), and when deictic terms are
> de-iconizied due to regular sound change, they are constantly reconstructed
> in order to fit into the iconic schema.
> For example Portuguese *aquele* was derived from the combination of the
> prefix *accu *and the Latin distal demonstrative *ill- *which, the study
> argues, was motivated by the low F2 of the vowel of *accu*.
> So deictic demonstratives are a good example of iconicity motivating sound
> and meaning change.
> From Daejeon,
> Ian Joo
> http://ianjoo.academia.edu
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> *From:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Mark Post <mark.post at sydney.edu.au>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2019 2:30:22 PM
> *To:* LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org
> *Subject:* [Lingtyp] demonstratives - how (relatively) stable?
> Dear Listmembers,
> I was wondering whether anyone might have up-to-date information (i.e.
> from a recent-ish study) concerning the relative stability of
> demonstratives (referential modifiers and/or pronouns), both in terms of
> language-internal replacement by a lexeme and in terms of language-external
> replacement by a loanword of the same category (though I'm more interested
> in the first one).
> Thanks in advance for any assistance,
> Mark
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