[Lingtyp] Lingtyp Digest, Vol 61, Issue 15

Thu Oct 17 20:08:20 UTC 2019

Hi Adam!

I would add Murrinhpatha to the languages Matthew Gordon mentions as having
only phrase-level intonation, previously described as stress.

Murrinhpatha has just one accent per phon phrase, anchored to the
penultimate syllable of the final Pword in the phrase. I cannot find any
other form of systematic prominence.
Often the phon phrase only contains one word, so it may seem like word
stress, but you do get some multi-word phrases, in which only the final
word bears an accent.

See Mansfield 2019, Murrinhpatha morphology and phonology.

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> From: Matthew Gordon <mgordon at linguistics.ucsb.edu>
> To: TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>
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> Hi Adam,
>
> Languages without word stress appear to be pretty common (and increasingly
> more so given recent re-analyses of languages traditionally described as
> having stress) but only phrase-level intonation. Probably a more secure
> example than French (which does display certain attributes suggesting
> metrical prominence) would be Korean (also analyzed as having word-level
> stress in the past) examined in work by Sun-Ah Jun (e.g. 1993, 1998). Other
> languages with a similar prosodic file (intonation but not word stress)
> include West Greenlandic (Arnhold 2014), Halh Mongolian (Karlsson 2014) and
> Turkish under certain analyses (Özçelik 2012). (There seem to be many
> others as well.) All of these languages have in common that at one time
> (and even currently) have been proposed to have word-level stress that (in
> most of the cases) gravitates toward the periphery of a domain, which is
> also the site for pitch movements attributed to an intonation system.
> Reliable diagnostics for definitively distinguishing between word stress
> and prominence attributed to intonation are often difficult to find.
>
> References:
>
> Arnhold, Anja. 2014. Prosodic structure and focus realization in West
> Greenlandic. In Jun, Sun-Ah (ed.), *Prosodic typology II: The phonology of
> intonation and phrasing, *216-51. New York: Oxford University Press.
>
> Jun, Sun-Ah. 1993. The phonetics and phonology of Korean prosody. Ph. D.
> dissertation, The Ohio State University.
>
> Jun, Sun-Ah. 1998. The Accentual Phrase in the Korean prosodic hierarchy.
> Phonology 15, 189-226.
>
> Karlsson, Anastasia M. 2014. The intonational phonology of Mongolian. In
> Sun-Ah Jun (ed.), *Prosodic typology II: The phonology of intonation and
> phrasing*, pp. 187-215. New York: Oxford University Press.
>
> Özçelik, Öner. 2012. Redefining the prosodic hierarchy. *McGill Working
> Papers in Linguistics* 22.1 (
> https://www.mcgill.ca/mcgwpl/files/mcgwpl/ozcelik2012.pdf)
>
>
> Best,
>
> Matt
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 6:44 AM TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr> wrote:
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> > Hey all,
> >
> > This is just a query for sources.
> >
> > I'm looking for languages that have been explicitly described as having
> no
> > word-level stress. I was under the impression that this was fairly
> common,
> > but apparently the existence of such languages (e.g. French) is
> > controversial [?].
> >
> > To be clear, I mean stress in Hyman's sense of a single culminative and
> > obligatory marking of prominence.
> >
> > (After that, I'm wondering whether there have been cases of languages
> that
> > are described as containing neither word-level nor phrase-level stress in
> > the same sense).
> >
> > best,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam James Ross Tallman (PhD, UT Austin)
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> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:45:38 -0400
> From: Claire Bowern <clairebowern at gmail.com>
> To: Eva Lindström <evali at ling.su.se>
> Cc: TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>,
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> See also Maskikit-Essed and Gussenhoven (2016), which also has some links
> to other languages, as well as diagnostics.
> http://gep.ruhosting.nl/carlos/2016_Maskikit_Gussenhoven.pdf
> Claire
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:20 PM Eva Lindström <evali at ling.su.se> wrote:
>
> > Dear Adam, I think you will find that Kuot meets the requirements; please
> > see:
> >
> > Lindström, Eva & Remijsen, Bert. 2005. “Aspects of the prosody of Kuot, a
> > language where intonation ignores stress”. *Linguistics* 43:4, 839–870
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Eva
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 15:45, TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> This is just a query for sources.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for languages that have been explicitly described as having
> >> no word-level stress. I was under the impression that this was fairly
> >> common, but apparently the existence of such languages (e.g. French) is
> >> controversial [?].
> >>
> >> To be clear, I mean stress in Hyman's sense of a single culminative and
> >> obligatory marking of prominence.
> >>
> >> (After that, I'm wondering whether there have been cases of languages
> >> that are described as containing neither word-level nor phrase-level
> stress
> >> in the same sense).
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Adam James Ross Tallman (PhD, UT Austin)
> >> ELDP-SOAS -- Postdoctorante
> >> CNRS -- Dynamique Du Langage (UMR 5596)
> >> Bureau 207, 14 av. Berthelot, Lyon (07)
> >> Numero celular en bolivia: +59163116867
> >>
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> From: Ian Maddieson <ianm at berkeley.edu>
> To: TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>
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> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] languages without word level stress
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> It depends on what you mean by “no stress” of course. The LAPDyD database
> has 183 languages which are classified as having
> no stress. The list of these is attached. You can check out most of these
> by logging in to LAPSyD (http://www.lapsyd.ddl.cnrs.fr/index.php)
> and go to the references cited as sources. The list of languages concerned
> is in the attached word file. There are 284 languages listed
> as having a ‘minor’ role for stress — this is usually when there is
> perceptible prominence which has a predictable location — and 171
> languages with a lexical (contrastive) function for stress. So ‘no stress’
> is more frequent in this sample than contrastive stress, but
> the most common pattern is for stress to fall at a predictable location.
>
> Ian
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2019, at 07:44, TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > This is just a query for sources.
> >
> > I'm looking for languages that have been explicitly described as having
> no word-level stress. I was under the impression that this was fairly
> common, but apparently the existence of such languages (e.g. French) is
> controversial [?].
> >
> > To be clear, I mean stress in Hyman's sense of a single culminative and
> obligatory marking of prominence.
> >
> > (After that, I'm wondering whether there have been cases of languages
> that are described as containing neither word-level nor phrase-level stress
> in the same sense).
> >
> > best,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam James Ross Tallman (PhD, UT Austin)
> > ELDP-SOAS -- Postdoctorante
> > CNRS -- Dynamique Du Langage (UMR 5596)
> > Bureau 207, 14 av. Berthelot, Lyon (07)
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> Ian Maddieson
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