[Lingtyp] Mainland Northeast Asia (MNEA) as a linguistic area

Sat Mar 28 15:33:48 UTC 2020

Dear all,

The verb ‘to put, to place’ in MSEA area is often associated with an aspectual meaning 'staying there, relevance after the action ’ among other meanings which are closed to what is found in MNEA area.
Moreover to complete the answer about a potential borrowing or contact-induced meaning, notice that many Tibeto-Burman languages around have forms related to the same etymon ‘ta’, with the same grammaticalization.
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See also the map of the grammaticalisation of (’to put, to set’ > completed, resultative) in some SEA languages, from our book The Mainland Southeast Asia Linguistic Area
https://www.degruyter.com/view/title/498122

Best,

Alice

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Le 28 mars 2020 à 13:54, Guillaume Jacques <rgyalrongskad at gmail.com<mailto:rgyalrongskad at gmail.com>> a écrit :

Gyalrongic languages are of course in contact with both Sichuanese and Standard Mandarin, but this contact, at least for Japhug, is post-1949. I think that it is unlikely that this use of ta is calqued from Chinese, especially since the range of meaning of this verb is not identical to that of Chinese 放 (see the online Japhug-French-Chinese dictionary for examples). However, I do not dispute that this possibility deserves to be investigated in more detail.
As for Adi, contact with Mandarin in Arunachal Pradesh is probably very limited.

GJ

Le sam. 28 mars 2020 à 13:03, <joo at shh.mpg.de<mailto:joo at shh.mpg.de>> a écrit :
Thanks to Guillaume and Mark for pointing that out. On the other hand, it seems to me that the two languages (Japhug and Abor) you mentioned are within or adjacent to Mandarin-speaking region (including Southwestern Mandarin), in common with the MNEA languages I mentioned. Could it be that this polysemy is caused by the contact between Mandarin and its neighboring languages?

Ian
On 28. Mar 2020, 20:38 +0900, Mark Post <mark.post at sydney.edu.au<mailto:mark.post at sydney.edu.au>>, wrote:
...or indeed elsewhere in Trans-Himalayan; Adi më- (ë is schwa) has the senses 'put; place' and 'release; let go'.
Mark

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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Mainland Northeast Asia (MNEA) as a linguistic area

The colexification of 'put' and 'release' is not restricted to this particular area; it is also found in at least some Gyalrong languages further south (Japhug ta 'put' can be used in the sense of 'release, let ... get away with it' ="放过"), and I would not be surprised if it is found in other languages of Western Sichuan.

Guillaume

Le sam. 28 mars 2020 à 10:39, Joo, Ian <joo at shh.mpg.de<mailto:joo at shh.mpg.de>> a écrit :

Dear all,

I am currently writing a paper proposing Mainland Northeast Asia (MNEA) as a linguistic area, and I would like to know if there are any previous studies that have analyzed this region as a linguistic area.

The MNEA area I propose includes northern China, Mongolia, Korea, but not Japan, Sakhalin, and Russian Far East. One feature of this area, which I am currently working on with my colleagues, is that the languages spoken there colexify `to put’ and `to release’, as shown in the attached map.

From Daejeon, South Korea,

Ian

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