[Lingtyp] Attributive temporal clauses without temporal nouns

[Seino van Breugel]

Dear  Jesús ,

Atong (Tibeto-Burman, Northeast India and Bangladesh) has an enclitic,
which I think does what you describe in two different types of clauses.
Please take a look at the attached document.

Regards,

Seino
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 11:52 AM David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:

> Dear Jesús,
>
> Many varieties of colloquial Indonesian have an even simpler option,
> whereby in (the loose equivalent of) "You came, I saw you", "You came" can
> be interpreted as denoting a specific time.  Gil (1994) examples (9) and
> (10) illustrate this for the Riau dialect of Indonesian; here is example
> (9):
>
> Kita datang taksi pun datang
> 1.PL.INCL arrive taxi FOC arrive
> [in the given context:] 'When we get there, a taxi will also get there'
>
> Of course, while characterizing such constructions as temporal adverbial
> clauses is fine from an "etic", or "comparative-concept" point of view,
> doing so does violence to the way the actual language is structured, in
> which, from an "emic" or "language-specific" perspective, the two clauses
> stand in a weaker, underspecified relationship of association ("You came, I
> saw you, and these two activities are connected in some way").
>
> On the face of things, this is a bit like Juergen's Yucatec Maya example,
> except that here there is no morphological marking of any kind (such as
> nominalization, TAM, etc.).
>
> David
>
>
> On 25/02/2021 06:17, Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I hope this email finds you well.
>
> I am currently writing my dissertation on temporal adverbial clauses in
> the languages of the world.
>
> As you know, many languages express temporal adverbial relations (e.g.
> *when*-relations, *while*-relations) by means of constructions that
> appear with temporal nouns (e.g. 'time' 'day', 'year'; e.g. 'the time they
> arrived, they sat down'; Thompson et al 2007; Hetterle 2015;
> Diessel 2019; Olguín Martínez 2020).
>
> As discussed by Diessel (2019: 106), in some languages the temporal noun
> can be omitted resulting in constructions such as the following:
>
> 1.  At (the time) you came, I saw you.
> 2. (the time) that you came, I saw you.
>
> In the sample of my dissertation, I came across 56 languages not
> genetically related that seem to use this type of construction, as a
> primary strategy, to express various semantic types of adverbial clauses.
> The most common patterns I have found in the sample are the following:
>
> 3. LOCATIVE (temporal noun) RELATIVIZER/RELATIVE PRONOUN.
> 4. LOCATIVE (temporal noun).
> 5. (temporal noun) RELATIVIZER/RELATIVE PRONOUN.
> 6. DEMONSTRATIVE (temporal noun).
>
> Are you aware of any studies that have addressed this phenomenon? Are you
> aware of any languages that express temporal adverbial relations by means
> of this type of construction?
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> --
> Jesús Olguín Martínez
> Ph.D. Candidate, Dept. of Linguistics
> *University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB)*
> http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jesús-olguín-martínez
>
> References
> Diessel, Holger. 2019. Preposed adverbial clauses: Functional adaptation
> and diachronic inheritance. In Karsten Schmidtke-Bode, Natalia Levshina,
> Susanne Maria Michaelis, & Ilja Seržant (eds.), *Explanation in
> linguistic typology: Diachronic sources, functional motivations and the
> nature of the evidence*, 97-122. Leipzig: Language Science Press.
> Hetterle Katja. 2015. *Adverbial clauses in cross-linguistic perspective.
> *Berlin/Boston: De Gruyter Mouton.
> Olguín Martínez, Jesús. 2020. Attributive temporal clauses in
> cross-linguistic perspective. *Te Reo*. *The Journal of the* *Linguistic
> Society of New Zealand *63*: *1-36.
> Thompson, Sandra, Robert Longacre, & Shin Hwang. 2007. Adverbial clauses.
> In Timothy Shopen, (ed.), *Language typology and syntactic description* *volume
> II: Complex constructions*, 237- 300. Cambridge: Cambridge University
> Press.
>
>
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>
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