[Lingtyp] Voiced aspirated vs. breathy voiced consonants

[Jesse P. Gates]

Dear Ians,

I agree with Dr. Maddison, for breathy vs. aspirated, but what about bʱ vs. b̤?
Are these the same?

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 7:47 AM Ian Maddieson <ianm at berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> The short answer is no, but with some nuance. Voiced aspirated consonants
> have a voiced  high airflow period after the constriction is released.
> These may often be also described as breathy voiced in some sources.
> However, breathy voiced consonants also occur in which the breathiness
> is essentially manifested during the constriction of the consonant with
> maybe a brief spillover and/or anticipation in an adjoining vowel. These
> are not phonetically equivalent to voiced aspirates. I don’t know of a
> languages that contrasts both types, so deciding if they are phonologically
> equivalent would depend on looking at other factors, such as
> distributional tendencies or co-occurrence patterns.
>
> Ian
>
> On Mar 28, 2023, at 04:39, Ian Joo <ian_joo at nucba.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> Dear typologists,
>
> Is there any meaningful distinction between voiced aspirated (e.g. /bʰ/)
> and breathy voiced (e.g. /b̤/) consonants, phonetically or phonologically?
> In other words, is it safe to say bʰ = bʱ = b̤?
>
> From Netherlands,
> Ian
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> Ian Maddieson
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*Jesse P. Gates, PhD*Nankai University, School of Literature 南开大学文学院
https://nankai.academia.edu/JesseGates
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