[Lingtyp] Intuitions about inclusive time reference

[Lee Pratchett]

Dear Oesten, dear all,

I must admit, I would render the sentence into English (my mother tongue,
from London, UK) as I would in German (where I have lived for 15 years):

"Mary wanted to submit her application today" (cf. Christian's German: *Heute
wollte Maria ihren Antrag einreichen*)
Or: "Mary said she was going to submit her application today".

I believe that you would also use a similar construction in Ju|'hoan (Ju,
Kx'a):


*Màrí kò hȁ ǁqx’òà ű-á **hȁ*
* ǂxànì-sì kò ǁà’íkè*

PN QUOT PRO1 send go-VE PRO1 4.paper-PL MPO 4.today

'Mary wanted/was going to send her papers off today'.


Note that the above is not the standard quotative construction:


*Màrí nǁàè t**è kò hȁ tè ** qx’òà ű ha ǂxànì-sì kò ǁà’íkè*

PN say LNK QUOT LNK PRO1 send go-VE PRO1 4.paper-PL MPO 4.today

'Mary said that she was going to send off her papers today'.


Best, Lee


Am Do., 15. Feb. 2024 um 01:49 Uhr schrieb Siva Kalyan <
sivakalyan.princeton at gmail.com>:

> In English I would render this as “Today Mary was (going) to submit her
> grant proposal”.
>
> In (colloquial) Tamil, it would be something like the following:
>
> Mary *iṉṉiki* grant proposal submit *paṇ-ṟa-t-āka iru-nt-ā(ḷ)*
> Mary today grant proposal submit do-PRS-NMLZ-as be-PST-3SG.F
>
> Siva
>
> On 15 Feb 2024, at 7:29 am, Östen Dahl <oesten at ling.su.se> wrote:
>
> I would like to ask for intuitions about the following, in one or more
> languages that you are acquainted with.
>
> Suppose your colleague Mary said on Monday: "Tomorrow I'm going to submit
> my grant proposal." Now it's about noon on Tuesday, and you have no idea
> whatsoever of the time of the realization of her intention. Maybe she did
> it in the morning, maybe she'll wait until midnight, and maybe she's just
> doing it right now. How would you express the sentence below in your
> language(s), replacing SUBMIT by a suitable verb form? The idea is that you
> should try to use a maximally simple and natural formulation without
> excluding any possibility.
>
> Today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal
>
> All comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> - Östen
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-- 
Dr. Lee J. Pratchett (he/er)
Linguistik und Phonetik (ISFAS)
Christian-Albrechts-Universität zu Kiel
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