[Lingtyp] COME-passives

[Andrea Sansò]

Dear Sergey,

Anna Giacalone Ramat and I have written a paper on the grammaticalization
of *venire* (‘come’) in Italian as an auxiliary in passive constructions.
Please find it attached.

Here is the bibliographic reference:
in Maud Devos & Jenneke van der Wal (eds.), *‘Come’ and ‘go’ off the beaten
grammaticalization path*, pp. 21–44. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.

Best wishes,
Andrea

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 5:11 PM Paolo Ramat via Lingtyp <
lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:

> In Bavarian German you may say
> (1) *Då kummt de nei(e) Schul gebaut*
> “Hier wird die neue Schule gebaut”,
> probably a loan from Ital.  *Qui viene costruita la nuova scuola*, or
> from Rhaeto-Romance *Co^ vein fabricheda la scuola nuova*
> See Ramat in "Lg Sciences" 20 (3) , 1998: 227ff.  (with reference to
> Mayerthaler & Mayerthaler 1990).
>
> Best,
> Paolo Ramat
>
>
>
> Il giorno dom 23 feb 2025 alle ore 13:56 Timur Maisak via Lingtyp <
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> ha scritto:
>
>> Sure, see e.g. Maisak 2005 <https://www.academia.edu/35547425/> or Schulze
>> 2015 <https://www.academia.edu/21211924/>.
>>
>> Best,
>> Timur Maisak
>>
>> вс, 23 февр. 2025 г. в 15:42, Sergey Loesov via Lingtyp <
>> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>:
>>
>>> *Dear colleagues,*
>>>
>>> Are you aware of *COME-passives* in any of the world’s languages? In
>>> Kurmanji, a North-West Iranian language, the passive voice is formed using
>>> the verb *hatin* (‘to come’), which is fully conjugated for all TAM
>>> forms, followed by the infinitive. This construction appears to be *diachronically
>>> young*, because Kurmanji has a split ergative alignment. Its preterit
>>> base (from which the infinitive seems to be formed secondarily) is a reflex
>>> of the *PIU resultative participle in -ta*, and the choice between the
>>> ergative and the absolutive depends entirely on the inherent transitivity
>>> of the verb.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>>
>>> Sergey
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