[Lingtyp] COME-passives

[ENRIQUE BERNARDEZ SANCHIS]

Probably due to Italian influence, a VENR passive is also present in a
rather literary form of Peninsular Spanish. The examples, the same as in
Italian.

El dom, 23 feb 2025, 18:10, Andrea Sansò via Lingtyp <
lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> escribió:

> Dear Sergey,
>
> Anna Giacalone Ramat and I have written a paper on the grammaticalization
> of *venire* (‘come’) in Italian as an auxiliary in passive constructions.
> Please find it attached.
>
> Here is the bibliographic reference:
> in Maud Devos & Jenneke van der Wal (eds.), *‘Come’ and ‘go’ off the
> beaten grammaticalization path*, pp. 21–44. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andrea
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 5:11 PM Paolo Ramat via Lingtyp <
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:
>
>> In Bavarian German you may say
>> (1) *Då kummt de nei(e) Schul gebaut*
>> “Hier wird die neue Schule gebaut”,
>> probably a loan from Ital.  *Qui viene costruita la nuova scuola*, or
>> from Rhaeto-Romance *Co^ vein fabricheda la scuola nuova*
>> See Ramat in "Lg Sciences" 20 (3) , 1998: 227ff.  (with reference to
>> Mayerthaler & Mayerthaler 1990).
>>
>> Best,
>> Paolo Ramat
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno dom 23 feb 2025 alle ore 13:56 Timur Maisak via Lingtyp <
>> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Sure, see e.g. Maisak 2005 <https://www.academia.edu/35547425/> or Schulze
>>> 2015 <https://www.academia.edu/21211924/>.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Timur Maisak
>>>
>>> вс, 23 февр. 2025 г. в 15:42, Sergey Loesov via Lingtyp <
>>> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>:
>>>
>>>> *Dear colleagues,*
>>>>
>>>> Are you aware of *COME-passives* in any of the world’s languages? In
>>>> Kurmanji, a North-West Iranian language, the passive voice is formed using
>>>> the verb *hatin* (‘to come’), which is fully conjugated for all TAM
>>>> forms, followed by the infinitive. This construction appears to be *diachronically
>>>> young*, because Kurmanji has a split ergative alignment. Its preterit
>>>> base (from which the infinitive seems to be formed secondarily) is a reflex
>>>> of the *PIU resultative participle in -ta*, and the choice between the
>>>> ergative and the absolutive depends entirely on the inherent transitivity
>>>> of the verb.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much,
>>>>
>>>> Sergey
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