[Lingtyp] COME-passives

[Nigel Vincent]

The volume that Andrea cites also has a chapter on the 'come' passive in Romanian by Adina Dragorimescu and Alexandru Nicolae.
Best
Nigel


Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE
Professor Emeritus of General & Romance Linguistics
The University of Manchester

Linguistics & English Language
School of Arts, Languages and Cultures
The University of Manchester



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Dear Sergey,

Anna Giacalone Ramat and I have written a paper on the grammaticalization of venire (‘come’) in Italian as an auxiliary in passive constructions. Please find it attached.

Here is the bibliographic reference:
in Maud Devos & Jenneke van der Wal (eds.), ‘Come’ and ‘go’ off the beaten grammaticalization path, pp. 21–44. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.

Best wishes,
Andrea

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 5:11 PM Paolo Ramat via Lingtyp <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>> wrote:
In Bavarian German you may say
(1) Då kummt de nei(e) Schul gebaut
“Hier wird die neue Schule gebaut”,
probably a loan from Ital.  Qui viene costruita la nuova scuola, or from Rhaeto-Romance Co^ vein fabricheda la scuola nuova
See Ramat in "Lg Sciences" 20 (3) , 1998: 227ff.  (with reference to Mayerthaler & Mayerthaler 1990).

Best,
Paolo Ramat



Il giorno dom 23 feb 2025 alle ore 13:56 Timur Maisak via Lingtyp <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>> ha scritto:
Sure, see e.g. Maisak 2005 [academia.edu]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.edu/35547425/__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!GLdglS8O1NYl4Z-4Msk5FeNWlhegpMEkjazXYXQp8SZQ59QJvxinLw3SjtYFjnNanm5km5BGgG44M3u9_wFoJKlwUmjeb4qR6zZ0oA$> or Schulze 2015 [academia.edu]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.edu/21211924/__;!!PDiH4ENfjr2_Jw!GLdglS8O1NYl4Z-4Msk5FeNWlhegpMEkjazXYXQp8SZQ59QJvxinLw3SjtYFjnNanm5km5BGgG44M3u9_wFoJKlwUmjeb4qpFZN1ug$>.

Best,
Timur Maisak

вс, 23 февр. 2025 г. в 15:42, Sergey Loesov via Lingtyp <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>>:

Dear colleagues,

Are you aware of COME-passives in any of the world’s languages? In Kurmanji, a North-West Iranian language, the passive voice is formed using the verb hatin (‘to come’), which is fully conjugated for all TAM forms, followed by the infinitive. This construction appears to be diachronically young, because Kurmanji has a split ergative alignment. Its preterit base (from which the infinitive seems to be formed secondarily) is a reflex of the PIU resultative participle in -ta, and the choice between the ergative and the absolutive depends entirely on the inherent transitivity of the verb.

Thank you very much,

Sergey

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