[Lingtyp] COME-passives

[Cat Butz]

Interesting, in my variety of Bavarian, this is ungrammatical, and I 
don't think I've ever heard anyone say it, either. Could you tell me 
what varieties of Bavarian specifically use this construction, or give 
me the title of your article? Thank you.

In any case, if I'm already writing this email, I thought I'd mention 
the German "bekommen" passive construction, which is syntactically 
similar to the "get" passive in English (They cut my hair. I got my hair 
cut.), with "bekommen" being etymologically derived from "kommen" 
(though now lexicalized).

Warmest,
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Cat Butz (she)
HHU Düsseldorf
General Linguistics


Am 23/02/2025 17:10, schrieb Paolo Ramat via Lingtyp:
> In Bavarian German you may say
> (1) _Då kummt de nei(e) Schul gebaut_
> “Hier wird die neue Schule gebaut”,
> probably a loan from Ital.  _Qui viene costruita la nuova scuola_, or
> from Rhaeto-Romance _Co^ vein fabricheda la scuola nuova_
> See Ramat in "Lg Sciences" 20 (3) , 1998: 227ff.  (with reference to
> Mayerthaler & Mayerthaler 1990).
> 
> Best,
> Paolo Ramat
> 
> Il giorno dom 23 feb 2025 alle ore 13:56 Timur Maisak via Lingtyp
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> ha scritto:
> 
>> Sure, see e.g. Maisak 2005 [1] or Schulze 2015 [2].
>> 
>> Best,
>> Timur Maisak
>> 
>> вс, 23 февр. 2025 г. в 15:42, Sergey Loesov via Lingtyp
>> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>:
>> 
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>> 
>>> Are you aware of COME-passives in any of the world’s languages?
>>> In Kurmanji, a North-West Iranian language, the passive voice is
>>> formed using the verb _hatin_ (‘to come’), which is fully
>>> conjugated for all TAM forms, followed by the infinitive. This
>>> construction appears to be diachronically young, because Kurmanji
>>> has a split ergative alignment. Its preterit base (from which the
>>> infinitive seems to be formed secondarily) is a reflex of the _PIU
>>> resultative participle in -ta_, and the choice between the
>>> ergative and the absolutive depends entirely on the inherent
>>> transitivity of the verb.
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much,
>>> 
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> [2] https://www.academia.edu/21211924/
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