[Lingtyp] L > N

Sun Sep 21 12:10:22 UTC 2025

Hello,

Peter Behnstedt's chapter "Von an-'Aṣər (al-Qaṣr) nach Igni (Igli)" in
the festschrift *Approaches to Arabic Dialects: A Collection of Articles
presented to Manfred Woidich on the occasion of his 60th birthday* (Leiden:
Brill, 2003), discusses the regular sound change l > n across two rather
distant Arabic dialects. It's not specific to grammatical morphemes, but
affects them as well as lexemes.

Lameen

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> Dear colleagues,
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>  Are you aware of a shift *l*- > *n*- affecting the onsets of grammatical
> morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?
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> Thank you very much!
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> From: JOO Ian <joo at res.otaru-uc.ac.jp>
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> Dear Sergey,
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> I don?t know about grammatical morphemes specifically, but /l-/ to /n-/
> (as well as vice versa) is commonly seen in southern China. See for example
> Southwestern Mandarin:
> https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/communication/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2021.639390/full
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> Dear colleagues,
>  Are you aware of a shift l- > n- affecting the onsets of grammatical
> morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Sergey
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> Hi Sergey,
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> Not in word-initial position, but in Galo 1p and 2p plural pronouns shift
> irregularly *?o-lu / *no-lu > ?unu / nunu. It seems to be a case of
> harmonisation with the initial nasal, as 3p *bu-lu is unaffected. Not sure
> if that?s at all relevant to what you?re looking for.
>
> Mark
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> Dear colleagues,
>  Are you aware of a shift l- > n- affecting the onsets of grammatical
> morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Sergey
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> From: PONSONNET Maia <maia.ponsonnet at cnrs.fr>
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> Hello,
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> In Australian Kriol, the allative preposition  langa/la can be nanga/na.
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> Hi Sergey,
>
> Not in word-initial position, but in Galo 1p and 2p plural pronouns shift
> irregularly *?o-lu / *no-lu > ?unu / nunu. It seems to be a case of
> harmonisation with the initial nasal, as 3p *bu-lu is unaffected. Not sure
> if that?s at all relevant to what you?re looking for.
>
> Mark
>
> Dr. Mark W. Post | Senior Lecturer (Linguistics<
> https://www.sydney.edu.au/arts/about/our-people/academic-staff/mark-post.html
> >)
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> >)
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> Sydney | NSW | 2006 | AUSTRALIA
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> Date: Saturday, 20 September 2025 at 10:47?pm
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> Subject: [Lingtyp] L > N
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> Dear colleagues,
>  Are you aware of a shift l- > n- affecting the onsets of grammatical
> morphemes, specifically in word-initial position?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Sergey
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