LL-L: "Orthography" [S] LOWLANDS-L, 02.JUN.1999 (02)

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From: "Sandy Fleming" <sandy at fleimin.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: LL-L: "Orthography" [S] LOWLANDS-L, 01.JUN.1999 (03)

John wrate;

> Ian - I hae juist haen a keik at the Linguistic Atlas of Scotland (LAS)
> vol. 3, i the section at haes adae wi N. Ireland, an as faur as I can see

Ye can see what they'r on aboot in volume 3?? A ken A'm in the praisence o a
greater intellect nou!

Qo A:

> >fae the shared Scots/English vocabular. Efter a page o'd ye can see richt
> >awa that ye'v written something that vernear aa o the 1.5 million Scots
> >spaekers'll tak ae keik at an pit richt back on the shelf. Syne
> hivin gien
> >in tae that, A micht as weel gie in tae a rowth o kenspeckle tradeitional
> >Scots spellins an aa, for the sake o sales.
>

Says John:

> Ay, weel, but mair nor ae type o Scots spellins is kenspeckle. The anes
> abuin is maistly kenspeckle (e.g. EI is faur mair estaiblished in BEAT
> words like _heid_ an _breid_ nor in BEET anes like _leet_ an
> _speir_, whaur
> the spellin _spier_ is gey common tae - e.g. in Scotscrieve); but thay
> still hae science ahint thaim (diaphonemic, an nae mair nor ae phoneme ti
> ae spellin), an sae the potential ti mak a inclusive spellin ti serr

Nou that's a gey guid idea - A think A'll likely edit ma custom dictionar
tae chynge tae thir kin o spellins (the first screive o the novel's juist
feinished - A'm no hauf gled ye mentiont this afore A went an spellchecked
it aa!). A niver thocht on combinin polyphonemes wi ony flexibility - A dout
A'm startin tae see what ye'v been talkin aboot thir twaethree fernyear wi
aa that ane-at-ane, ane-at-mony &c!

>
> Mairatower, the recogneition o differin springheids as a criterion in

Ay, ma last effort at sortin oot a orthography gaed strecht the ither road,
but that juist learnt iz that it's no sae aesy tae dae athoot sinderin the
perceived-Latinate & perceived-AngloSaxon parteitions o vocabular, wi hou
the ar important differs in the respective morphologies (but Deil mend the
Greek &c!).

(As a aside - see thon word "springheid" that you & Andy uize - is that a
actual Scots word or some kin o neologism? A wad A thocht the richt Scots
wad be "burnheid" or "fountainheid". Onywey, it's appropriate eneuch in a
orthographic discussion, seein hou A'v sprung ma heid a few times thinkin
ower this subject!  :)

Sandy Fleiman
http:\\www.fleimin.demon.co.uk

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From: Andrew Eagle <K27 at compuserve.com>
Subject: Orthography

John Wrat:

> Andy's system:
>
> EE for the BEET class - creep, sheep, weet, seek, greet, veesion, etc.
> EI for the BEAT class - beit, heit, heid, meit, deith, breith, feir, teim
> AI for the BAIT class - brain, main, aim, bait wait, said, raik, fair

Thon wis juist a suggestion. It isna ma intent tae uise siccan a seistem
for the-nou.

Sandy wrat:

>A tend tae agree that Andy's spellin is the maist acceptable o the twae,
tho
>juist wi hou the spellins generally faa nearer the tradeitional anes.

<sned>
> the spellin that maist writers'll
>uize'll be the ane maist readers'll read - an for the nou that means a
>fairly ad hoc orthography - it's what fowk's uized wi. A try tae some
extent
>tae gaun like you an Andy suggest an as faur as "purely Scots" words gauns
>it's nae bather - the trouble starts, as uizual, whan ye try an write a
word
>fae the shared Scots/English vocabular. Efter a page o'd ye can see richt
>awa that ye'v written something that vernear aa o the 1.5 million Scots
>spaekers'll tak ae keik at an pit richt back on the shelf. Syne hivin gien
>in tae that, A micht as weel gie in tae a rowth o kenspeckle tradeitional
>Scots spellins an aa, for the sake o sales.
<sned>

A'll continue tae uise a kin o ad hoc orthography  for the-nou for the
verra raisons Sandy gies. A'll juist ettle tae applee the thochts that wis
pitten ower mair conseistant whan it comes tae 'Scots' wirds. Gin 'shared'
wirds is pronounced mair or less the same in Scots an SSE A'll haud wi the
kent spellins.

Andy

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